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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerh View Post
    It's a recruitment tactic; convince you that you're sick and they have the cure.

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    Pretty astute as far as it goes. And in many places now this seems to be the case. It was not always so. There were times where the Christians presented the "cure" that God offers and allowed the people themselves to "see" if was needed. This is called letting God speak to the man. But it required trust and respect and so they invented "sin nature" and "all have sinned which means you and so you need the cure." The result is the flabby "say a prayer and go to Heaven" kind of "believer" who never experienced really seeing the wrong they have done and so never experienced the "cure" (forgiveness) which is powerful and does change people and quite dramatically. Not all believers are like this but in the west, way too many.

    Hadn't thought of it as you expressed it but it does seem to be the case in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    Pretty astute as far as it goes. And in many places now this seems to be the case. It was not always so. There were times where the Christians presented the "cure" that God offers and allowed the people themselves to "see" if was needed. This is called letting God speak to the man. But it required trust and respect and so they invented "sin nature" and "all have sinned which means you and so you need the cure." The result is the flabby "say a prayer and go to Heaven" kind of "believer" who never experienced really seeing the wrong they have done and so never experienced the "cure" (forgiveness) which is powerful and does change people and quite dramatically. Not all believers are like this but in the west, way too many.

    Hadn't thought of it as you expressed it but it does seem to be the case in many ways.
    I can't claim credit for it but it is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerh View Post
    I can't claim credit for it but it is appropriate.

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    I agree. This along with "only believe...don't think" type of Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    Pretty astute as far as it goes. And in many places now this seems to be the case. It was not always so. There were times where the Christians presented the "cure" that God offers and allowed the people themselves to "see" if was needed. This is called letting God speak to the man. But it required trust and respect and so they invented "sin nature" and "all have sinned which means you and so you need the cure." The result is the flabby "say a prayer and go to Heaven" kind of "believer" who never experienced really seeing the wrong they have done and so never experienced the "cure" (forgiveness) which is powerful and does change people and quite dramatically. Not all believers are like this but in the west, way too many.

    Hadn't thought of it as you expressed it but it does seem to be the case in many ways.
    If all are sinners then it is true. Are you saying that all are not sinners then? Perhaps there are some that do not need the Gospel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Gillett View Post
    If all are sinners then it is true. Are you saying that all are not sinners then? Perhaps there are some that do not need the Gospel?

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    I am saying that when Peter preached, they were cut to the heart regarding their own sin (obviously.) He did not tell them they have a sin nature. He did not tell them they had all sinned. He did tell them that they had crucified him which we can assume some of them did not. But they felt convicted of sin nevertheless. This leads to true repentance and conversion. The problem with telling men that they have a sin nature or they have sinned and leave the Holy Spirit no time nor room to pinpoint the real sin in their life, then there is no real repentance. The whole thing becomes mechanical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    I am saying that when Peter preached, they were cut to the heart regarding their own sin (obviously.) He did not tell them they have a sin nature. He did not tell them they had all sinned. He did tell them that they had crucified him which we can assume some of them did not. But they felt convicted of sin nevertheless. This leads to true repentance and conversion. The problem with telling men that they have a sin nature or they have sinned and leave the Holy Spirit no time nor room to pinpoint the real sin in their life, then there is no real repentance. The whole thing becomes mechanical.
    Without sincerity there is no repentance. so your complaint is accedemic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Gillett View Post
    Without sincerity there is no repentance. so your complaint is accedemic

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    Not for those who tell people just to pray a prayer. It is a matter of where their eternity will be spent. If you don't care because you are a Calvinist and God decided, for you, long ago who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell for no good reason, well that is typcial of Calvinists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    Not for those who tell people just to pray a prayer. It is a matter of where their eternity will be spent. If you don't care because you are a Calvinist and God decided, for you, long ago who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell for no good reason, well that is typcial of Calvinists.
    I am not a Calvanist and do not agree with them....

    so the same principle applies.

    Just saying a prayer with no conviction will achieve nothing. (IMO). There is more conviction in a spontanious cry to God for help, and that rarely gets a positive resonse. (IME)

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    thanks for reply.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    Yes. Your/their place is in the second resurrection, where you will be judged by a man (a Jew, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah - who has been appointed the task by his/my God) from the things which are written in the books, according to your deeds in this age.
    I'll be tried for my deeds - not for my unbelief?

    Atheism is not a sin to you?

    if so, glad to hear it.

    I'm a good guy and if my unbelief is not sin in/of itself, I welcome the trial on the Final Day - according to my deeds.

    I'm no saint, done plenty bad, but strive toward good.

    so ok with a trial of my character.




    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    Some percentage of you will be allowed to live; some percentage of you will be thrown into the lake of fire - where you will be reduced to ashes, vanish like smoke and cease to exist. Not one of you will be endlessly tortured.
    ok.

    I don;t view "killing the soul" of a sinner as more just than serving a term in Hell (non-infinate term of course).

    -----but that just me.


    you conscious ok with your God "killing sinning souls" rather than serving a finite term for sin in this life?

    if so, why?




    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    I believe you but, given your comments concerning not wanting the truth, why do you welcome it?
    ???

    don't follow.

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