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    Quote Originally Posted by Taikoo View Post
    IF there is a god, as is assumed and asserted by ss, then, his doings
    are not magic..depending on how it is defined.

    To those of us who do not buy that assumption, nor any of the other
    assumptions about the existence, powers and role of the myriad other
    gods and spirits than anyone ever concocted.. well, it is just magic they are talking about.

    i dont think any of them can demonstrate that they are not talking about
    magic, other, that is, than with word games.
    This explains the matter with economy and precision. (That's why I thanked you for it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    What you mean to say is that there would be no science if nature did not operate in a consistent/repeatable and patterned way. Those physical processes describe nature's order. There is no 'Biblical order.'
    What does "Biblical order" even mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    The Word of God Written--Scripture (2Ti 3:16) and the Word of God Incarnate--Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:1, 14).
    Yes I asked for that.

    I had provided a definition of magic, and smoky's response was to say it wasn't her definition of authority.

    I'm not surprised.
    It was a definition of magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen T-B View Post
    What does "Biblical order" even mean?
    I doubt she even knows - just put the word 'biblical' in front of anything and I guess it is supposed to negate everything that is non-biblical. It is as useful as Biblical math or Biblical physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen T-B View Post
    So God's powers are not mystical?
    They can be investigated in the same way as your producing a coin from the back of your ear can be investigated ....is that what you are saying?

    So what apparatus have you designed which will enable anyone at all to do that?

    So how is that different from my statement that God's powers "defy analysis, elude human comprehension, have no boundaries and their operation is unpredictable"?

    If you are saying that ascribing completely incomprehensible phenomena to God removes them from the realm of magic then you need to tell us why - and without resorting to self-validating assertion, which I know as circular reasoning viz. God is a mystery therefore his acts are mysterious; God's acts are mysterious because God is a mystery.
    You provided the definition of 'mystical' and 'magic' being that it 'elude human comprehension'. That humans cannot comprehend it does not mean it is totally incomprehensible, only that (at present) humans cannot comprehend it. And, as such, is beyond human capability to investigate it (at present). But that does not mean it is fictional. A jellyfish, I would imagine, is incapable of comprehending or investigating the workings of a submarine. That doesn't prove that submarines are fictional.

    Isa 55:8-9 "(8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. (9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taikoo View Post
    It was not until Issac Newton that any real start was made on
    separating magic from materialistic causes.

    An intellectually honest comment from you would not include the
    "just because", nor the "it just shows". Nor the assertion of "false"
    supported only by irrelevant / strawman comparisons.

    See if you can work out why.
    Why would I bother, you just made it up as usual and probably have no idea 'why', yourself. It's just your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen T-B View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    The authority I accept is the Word of God Written--Scripture (2Ti 3:16) and the Word of God Incarnate--Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:1, 14).
    Yes I asked for that.

    I had provided a definition of magic, and smoky's response was to say it wasn't her definition of authority.

    I'm not surprised.
    It was a definition of magic.
    Nor am I surprised at your ignorance. . .that a person can be the definition of "magic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    What you mean to say is that there would be no science if nature did not operate in a consistent/repeatable and patterned way. Those physical processes describe nature's order. There is no 'Biblical order.'
    That natural order was established by God at creation, hence: creation (per the Bible) order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taikoo View Post
    You have no idea what I was talking about.
    I'm talking about it from another reference point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    That natural order was established by God at creation, hence: creation (per the Bible) order.
    And I call BS! Just a bald unsubstantiated claim. Care to demonstrate how you know this or demonstrate by what means this creator created? Did not thinks so!
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