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    Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
    Do you believe the six days of creation took 42000 years?

    Everyone reading this forum sees your evasion, insecurity, inability to answer a civil question.

    Is this how Jehovah's Witnesses conduct their Bible ( I mean Watchtower book) studies with people with mental health issues and learning difficulties?
    Evasion?
    You wish.
    I said NO ONE knows- those are one-syllable words.
    Ask a grown up to read them for you.
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    Peter referred to those like him, who once learned the truth- but left~

    2 Pet 2:20- For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter
    end is worse with them than the beginning.
    21- For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
    22-But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - KJV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    Since you JWs refuse to accept "the Word was with God and God was the Word" but insist that the indefinate article is there, that is, "a god," I was hoping some of you might be willing to go into detail as to what that particular god is like. If the Word was "a god" that means it is a second, at least, god. What does your Governing Body tell you about this god?

    Now I suppose that you could make this thread really short and simply say that Jesus is the a god. He is another god. There is more than one god. Polytheism, in a word, is what the GB teaches in that case. Many gods. So is Jesus simply another god? Are there more out there? Do they come by being born gods? If so, why did Jesus refer to the "One True" if he himself was a god? Was He saying there is "one true" and the rest, including himself, is false?

    Saying the Word is "a god" opens up a can of worms, doesn't it? Maybe we can explore it. Now mind you, we are not discussing "a god" or "was God" so don't give me the GB lecture on the Greek. We are granting you the "a god" status and asking for some details. If there is more than one god, what can you add?
    Excellent question, Dottie! Did anyone ever address it?

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    Of course- but you two ignore it- for you only listen and believe in your church.

    Jehovah called Moses, the Judges of Israel, and the Word (Jesus) God.
    They were Gods ONLY in that He spoke through them.

    So that DOES "open a can of worms" for you, doesn't it- since you believe Jesus 1/3 God, with Two Others.
    Maybe we can explore this?


    Yawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Of course- but you two ignore it- for you only listen and believe in your church.

    Jehovah called Moses, the Judges of Israel, and the Word (Jesus) God.
    They were Gods ONLY in that He spoke through them.
    Yes, but there is no claim that they were there in the beginning of creation:

    Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    So that DOES "open a can of worms" for you, doesn't it- since you believe Jesus 1/3 God, with Two Others.
    Maybe we can explore this?

    Yawn.

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    On the contrary, you evaded the question, Question.

    Who is the "a god" who was with God at the beginning of creation? And where is "he" now?

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Yes, but there is no claim that they were there in the beginning of creation:

    Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
    13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
    Just what bearing does "when" have with the facts that Jehovah called Moses, the Judges of Israel, and the Word (Jesus) god?

    The Word (Jesus) is just the first such case.

    Not an exception.

    How do we back that up?

    John 17:3.
    John 20:17.

    The highest and definitive authority for men, other than the Father.

    Jesus Christ.

    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Who is the "a god" who was with God at the beginning of creation? And where is "he" now?
    Jesus Christ.

    At THE RIGHT HAND of the Father. Not AS THE FATHER or CONSUBSTANTIAL with Him.

    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    "was god."

    THE GOD is God. "god" is just "god".

    Don't confuse description with identity or literal substance

    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.
    The middle head in the totem pole of trinitarianism. Carefully carved over three and a half centuries.
    "You [the Father], the Only True God" -- Jesus Christ (1st Century CE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Excellent question, Dottie! Did anyone ever address it?
    Absolutely. I know there are quite a few posts going off topic.
    But see post #13

    Quote Originally Posted by TBax View Post
    Dottie, I see The Onymous Brother showed you that there is a difference between "god" and "God" in the Bible. Both humans and angels are called gods, by God Himself. Such ones are not to be worshipped, or to replace God in any way. When we see in Isaiah where God says there is no other god, He was contrasting Himself with the gods the nations worshipped. While in His own word, the Bible, God Himself calls others gods, not in that they deserve worship, but are "mighty ones", with greater power or authority over others. Such "gods", or mighty ones, are to worship, and to direct worship to God alone.

    Such gods are nothing without Jehovah backing them. Even Moses was called a god to Pharoah, and Aaron was his prophet. However, without Jehovah, Moses was nothing.
    And post #23, here is a part:
    Quote Originally Posted by TBax View Post

    No, the Hebrew word for gods is Elohim. That is the word used. Not the word for angels, which also means messenger.


    Dottie, very simply, do you believe the Bible refers to Israel's judges and kings as gods? Ps 82:6 Elohim
    Do you understand that the angels are referred to by the Hebrew word "Elohim" which means gods? Ps 8:5 Elohim
    Dottie, do you deny that in God's word the Bible, Jesus verified that the judges were called gods, by God Himself, and that those words cannot be nullified? John 10:34,35 Theos
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Evasion?
    You wish.
    I said NO ONE knows- those are one-syllable words.
    Ask a grown up to read them for you.
    You seem unable to comprehend a question.

    As far as I am aware, the religion to which you belong, teaches that the six creative days took 42000years.

    Do you believe that this is correct? YES OR NO?

    Is this still current J.W. doctrine?

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    Isaiah 44

    "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

    (verse 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Excellent question, Dottie! Did anyone ever address it?

    Small g god= has godlike qualities--is not being called THE God--Gods power goes through Jesus( Acts 2:22) making him godlike.
    If trinity translations were correct--this is their reality--2nd line John 1:1--And God was with God= impossible--there is one God, Rev 3:12--God has a God= impossible.

    Come take lifes waters free

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