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    Default 2 Cor 5:10

    "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

    If any man aspires to appear before that Judgement with something to give to the God who saved him, he needs attend to this now in this life where there is still means and opportunity to demonstrate the level of love one has for said Being. This is the work of the Holy Spirit to enable us to will and to do of His good pleasure to the degree, no more and no less, than we are willing to lay down our own desires and goals and take upon ourselves his will and desires. In this measure He will give us what is needed to accomplish His goals that will become, in time, our goals. So that in the end we see matters as God sees them, feel for men as God feels or them, do for men as God would do becoming his eyes and hands and feet. That all praise goes to Him as he thanks us for yielding to be His love in a world that desperately needs love.

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    "He has shown you, O man, what is good and what the Lord requires of you. But to do justly..and to love mercy...and to walk humbly with your God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

    If any man aspires to appear before that Judgement with something to give to the God who saved him,
    We don't "give" God anything that we have not first received from him (1Co 4:7).
    God is not needy--he has no need, nor even desire, of "gifts" from us.
    All the praise is due him because he did all the work, including regenerating us so that we could even receive the things that come from him.

    "The man without the Spirit (i.e., unregenerate) does not receive/accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them" (1Co 2:14). . .and there again you have
    the nature of unregenerate man's spiritual power--he is spiritually impotent (Ro 8:8).

    "Therefore, let him who boasts, boast in the Lord" (1Co 1:31).

    "I will boast all the more about my weakness/inability (not what I have to "give" to God) , so that Christ's power may rest on me" (2Co 12:9).

    he thanks us for yielding to be His love in a world that desperately needs love.
    God neither owes nor gives us thanks for anything (Lk 17:7-10).

    You've got the gospel backwards. . .it's all God's work in us, we do not give to him, we receive from him, including the power to even receive from him (1Co 2:14; Ro 8:8), for which we owe him thanks.

    Your gospel is man-centered rather than God-centered.

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    The ALL who must appear before the judgment seat of Christ applies NOT to every person who has ever existed but only to those who have believed the one true gospel. Otherwise the verse could be understood as personal righteousness developed by good works alone apart from belief in Christ (the gospel) as the "no other name whereby men must be saved".
    John 5:24

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    Quote Originally Posted by james214 View Post
    The ALL who must appear before the judgment seat of Christ applies NOT to every person who has ever existed but only to those who have believed the one true gospel. Otherwise the verse could be understood as personal righteousness developed by good works alone apart from belief in Christ (the gospel) as the "no other name whereby men must be saved".
    Rom 14:
    11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    Phil 2:
    10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Rev 20:
    13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    EVERY person who has ever lived will stand before Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shroom View Post
    Rom 14:
    11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    Phil 2:
    10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Rev 20:
    13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    EVERY person who has ever lived will stand before Christ.
    Philippians, Romans and Revelation (along with all of the Scriptures) are FOR believers.. shroom.

    Rom 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.
    Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
    Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;


    All means all.. that's all all means.

    The same sentiment applies to Phil 2 and Rev 20.

    It is very, very important to know the intended audience.
    2Co 11:1 I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWashedBrain View Post
    Philippians, Romans and Revelation (along with all of the Scriptures) are FOR believers.. shroom.

    Rom 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.
    Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
    Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;


    All means all.. that's all all means.

    The same sentiment applies to Phil 2 and Rev 20.

    It is very, very important to know the intended audience.
    You may use your "sentiment" in the case of Rom 14, but it does not apply to Phil 2 and especially not to Rev 20.

    Every human being who has ever drawn breath will stand before Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james214 View Post
    The ALL who must appear before the judgment seat of Christ applies NOT to every person who has ever existed but only to those who have believed the one true gospel. Otherwise the verse could be understood as personal righteousness developed by good works alone apart from belief in Christ (the gospel) as the "no other name whereby men must be saved".
    One of these so-called "works" that goes mostly ignored is getting baptized.

    That being the case, all must come forth and answer for at least 1 work they may or may not have done.

    Guess one can say, you are saved by "works", after all.
    "You [the Father], the Only True God" -- Jesus Christ (1st Century CE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Onymous Brother View Post
    One of these so-called "works" that goes mostly ignored is getting baptized.

    That being the case, all must come forth and answer for at least 1 work they may or may not have done.

    Guess one can say, you are saved by "works", after all.
    Was the thief on the cross water baptized in order to be with Christ in paradise that very day?

    NT Baptism corresponds to OT circumcision (Col 1:11-12), a parallel sign of the covenant relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    Was the thief on the cross water baptized in order to be with Christ in paradise that very day?
    Did he sweat?

    Not that either went anywhere for (at least) three days in fulfillment of the scriptures.
    "You [the Father], the Only True God" -- Jesus Christ (1st Century CE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Onymous Brother View Post
    Did he sweat?
    Simply sweating is baptism?. . .So practically, the whole world is baptized?. . .Where is that presented in the NT?

    Not that either went anywhere for (at least) three days in fulfillment of the scriptures.
    Do you know everything about where Jesus' was when his body was in the tomb?

    I'm taking Jesus at his word that, at the thief's death, the thief was in paradise that very day. (2Co 5:8; Php 1:23.)

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