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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    According to Acts 2:4-11, the gift of tongues is supposed to enable the giftees to be heard in a variety of honest to gosh, real-life languages.

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    That's not true. When a person speaks in tongues, he does not understand what he is saying (1 Cor 14:2). When a person speaks in tongues in public, it must be interpreted so the others will know what was said (1 Cor 14:5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    1Cor 14:27a . . If anyone speaks in a tongue, two-- or at the most three --should speak; one at a time

    People with the gift of tongues are not permitted to speak all at the same time like a mob of howling political activists. That just simply isn't permitted in church.

    That is correct. Many Pentecostals ignore this.

    1Cor 14:23 . . So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand, or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

    One of the reasons why I get so annoyed by talk shows like Kathy Lee Gifford and Hoda Kodb, and ABC's The View is because everyone talks all at once like a bunch of undisciplined dogs barking and yapping in a kennel. And the way they interrupt each other back and forth before the other can even finish a sentence is one of the very things we teach children not to do. You'd think those supposedly mature adults grew up without supervision the way they conduct themselves in a conversation.

    People with the gift of tongues are to take turns; speaking one at a time, rather than an entire congregation of tonguers barking and yapping like dogs in a kennel whenever they "feel the Spirit" moving them.
    Generally correct.

    FYI: The fruit of the Spirit is self control (Gal 5:23). People claiming to feel the Spirit really ought not to behave like a cage full of excited monkeys.

    1Cor 14:33 . . For God is not a God of disorder but of calm.

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    Also true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    1 Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

    That's just it. God only knows what's coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- they might even be cussing!

    No.

    1 Cor 12:
    3) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

    I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.
    There are many reasons why people should pray with their understanding. There are also many reasons why a person should speak in tongues.

    A charismatic once informed me that he prayed in a tongue because he couldn't express his deepest feelings any other way. Mind you this was an American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke, wrote, and read English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his command of the English language was so poor that he could only express his thoughts in a language that not even he himself could either identify or understand?

    1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

    ps: My charismatic friend should to try expressing love for his wife in a tongue and see how she feels about it.

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    There are no scriptures stating that we should express our love for our spouse by speaking in tongues at them.

    But we can certainly pray in the spirit FOR them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    1Cor 13:8-10 . .Whether there be tongues, they shall cease; yada, yada, yada, yada.

    God introduced tongues during the Tower Of Babel incident recorded in Gen 11:1-9.

    Speaking in tongues was "introduced" on the day of Pentecost. Nobody spoke in tongues before then.

    He did that to break up world unification. Apparently it was God's judgment that world unification in those days was not a good thing. Well; the language barrier remains in place today; so I'm assuming that world unification in our day is still not a good thing.

    In other words: today's world is an imperfect world. But according to 2Pet 3:1-13 and the 21st chapter of Revelation, a new world order is on its way; a perfect world that can be trusted with global unification so there will be no need for a control measure to thwart an all-out proliferation of evil.
    Your commentary has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

    But until that perfect world is up and running, there will continue to be a need for the gift of tongues so that Jesus' followers can fulfill his edict to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone everywhere." and to "Teach them all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

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    Speaking in tongues is not a witnessing tool, or a teaching tool. It is for the edification of the person speaking, and when done in public and interpreted, it edifies the church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    1Cor 14:4 . . He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

    The above is true of someone with the actual gift of tongues only after they've first obtained the ability to understand the strange words coming out of their mouth.

    Every Christian has the ability to speak in tongues, and should do so (1 Cor 14:5).

    Interpretation of tongues is another manifestation of the gift of holy spirit, not "the ability to understand".

    1Cor 14:13-15 . . Anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
    Anyone who speaks in tongues in public should do so with the intent to interpret.

    But seriously, I don't think the gift of tongues was ever meant for people's personal use anyway; rather, for outreach.
    You have it exactly backwards. Tongues is not an outreach tool. It is for the edification of the Christian, and when done in public and interpreted, it edifies the church.

    1Cor 14:22 . .Tongues are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers

    The sign becomes quite ineffective when the tongue being spoken isn't familiar to the audience.
    If an unbeliever hears a Christian speaking a language he does not understand, it should be a sign.

    1Cor 14:23-25 . . So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

    The conclusion to draw is that the gift of tongues should be put to use sensibly and intelligently.

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    That's right. That's the purpose of 1 Cor 12-14. The Corinthians were improperly using the manifestation of tongues. Paul was setting them straight as to proper usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    Here's an example of a sensible, practical use of tongues.

    Rev 14:6-7 . . I saw another angel flying through the sky, carrying the everlasting gospel to preach to the people who dwell on the earth-- to every nation, tribe, language, and people. Fear God! he shouted. Give glory to Him! For the time has come when He will sit as judge. Worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea, and all the springs of water!

    That is not an example of speaking in tongues at all.

    The everlasting gospel is very elementary. Pretty much all it says to everyone who hears it is:

    1• There's a supreme being.

    2• He deserves respect.

    3• There's a frightful reckoning looming on the horizon, and

    4• The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product of intelligent design.

    Giving "glory" to God simply indicates giving someone credit where credit is due; and "worship" basically just simply means admiration.

    It's quite natural to admire celebrities, pro athletes, and super achievers-- to give them credit where credit is due --but not quite so natural to do the same for their creator.

    Anyway, point being: the angel's message will be intelligible to everyone who hears him no matter what language they speak and/or understand.
    That is correct. But that has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

    Modern tonguers would do well to use their gift in like manner instead of only blowing bubbles all the time./
    Christians should speak in tongues a lot, and when they do it in public, it must be interpreted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niyoe'es:ah View Post
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    1Cor 14:1 . .Eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.

    The koiné Greek word for "prophecy" is propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o) which primarily means to foretell events, but it also means to speak under inspiration; for example: Old Testament's prophets spoke under inspiration about Christ. (1Pet 1:10-11)

    Prophesy can be either foretelling or forthtelling.

    Abel was a prophet (Luke 11:50-51) and so was Abraham (Gen 20:7). I think it's fairly safe to assume that both of those men, at some time in their lives, spoke under inspiration about Christ.
    They may have prophesied about Christ.

    Modern prophets speak under inspiration about Christ. (Rev 19:10)

    Speaking under inspiration about Christ is far and away more valuable than the gift of tongues
    1 Cor 14:
    5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.


    for example:

    1Cor 14:22-25 . . If the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

    In other words: tonguers can actually drive people away from Christ.
    Only if they are doing it improperly, as the Corinthians (and many Pentecostal groups today) were doing.

    John 6:44 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him

    The Father's primary tool of choice for drawing people to Christ isn't tongues, no, it's prophecy;
    It's the gospel, salvation is available through Jesus Christ.

    1Cor 1:21 . . It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    Noah was a preacher (2Pet 2:5). Had enough of the antediluvians listened to him, they might have averted the Flood.

    In the very early days of Jesus' church, tonguers were useful to Christ for propagating his message
    Tongues is not a witnessing tool. "No man understands" unless it is interpreted.

    because people heard the tonguers speaking honest to gosh, real-life languages that audiences understood.
    That happened on the day of Pentecost, and it occasionally happens today. But the clear direction in 1 Corinthians is that when spoken in public, tongues must be interpreted.

    But in our day and age, tonguers typically don't speak honest to gosh real-life languages but instead blather.
    Speaking in tongues is speaking a language of men or angels, and is not understood by the speaker, and since groups of people all generally speak the same language, it is not understood by others. That is why tongues, when spoken in public, must be interpreted.

    As a result, tonguers are looked upon with the same disdain as those that hurl themselves in the aisle, faint, scream, shout, and/or dance with rattlesnakes.
    When people speak in tongues improperly, they make themselves appear mad, as Paul clearly stated.

    In other words: tonguers are usually dismissed as kooks. Well; not too many sensible people care to accommodate kooks so I highly recommend speaking about Christ with an intelligible language.
    While we should certainly do that, God (through Paul) says he wouold like every Christian to speak in tongues.

    Here in my country, English is a good choice because most people can understand it without requiring the services of a translator.

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    If you understand English, when preaching the gospel, English would be a good choice. When you speak in tongues, it will not be in English.

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    Post Re: Rules Governing The Gift Of Tongues

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    1Cor 12:27-31 . . Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

    Q: Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?

    A: No, No, No, No, No, No, and No!

    Rom 12:3-6 . . Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us.

    Q: Well; if 1Cor 12:27-31 and Rom 12:3-6 are hard and fast rules; then why do so many tonguers insist that every true Christian is supposed to have the gift of tongues?

    A: Because to their way of thinking; tongues are the proof that they have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ as per 1Cor 12:13; and thus sealed for the day of redemption as per Eph 1:13 and Eph 4:30. Ergo: invalidate their tongues, and you can just imagine how frightened and insecure that tonguers would suddenly become due to uncertainty whether they might actually be on a road to hell.

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    The speaking of tongues in our day is not from God but rather from Satan, or ones mind. Rev. 22:18 says if one adds words to the Bible then they are subject to the plagues that are written in the Bible. Now you might say those that speak in tongues are not adding to the Bible, the problem with that line of thinking one is denying the fact that they have received these tongues from God and God is still speaking to them in tongues, visions, angel visitations...etc. God will not violate his word.

    Furthermore if this is for edification for the churches and these words are from God Almighty then we ought to proclaim to the whole world what God has said to us or even perhaps put them in a book because this came directly from God and surely it must be super Important and just maybe we should put in the Bible, that is to say make an edification.
    May the LORD have mercy upon us all and richly bless us.

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