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    Quote Originally Posted by An Onymous Brother View Post
    You've been trying now for how long? 10 years?

    Has it made a difference?
    Yes.

    They're willfully blind.
    Some are, some aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    JWs and Trinitarians have a belief in literal preexistence in common.

    Jewish monotheists see Jesus' notional preexistence (i.e. existence in the foreknowledge of God).
    I see Jesus as a being. Most of the debate is over the makeup of His being.

    So you see Jesus as a thought before He became a "man" then the resurrected Jesus is still a man though highly exalted. correct?

    I didn't know Jews viewed Jesus as anything other than a man who lived and was murdered by the Romans. As in dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    I see Jesus as a being.
    I see Jesus as a miraculously begotten human being.

    So you see Jesus as a thought before He became a "man"...
    I see Jesus existing in the thought of God prior to God bringing him into existence.

    ...then the resurrected Jesus is still a man though highly exalted. correct?
    Jesus was a mortal man. Jesus is now a highly exalted immortal man.

    I didn't know Jews viewed Jesus as anything other than a man who lived and was murdered by the Romans. As in dead.
    Jewish monotheism - the belief that God is only one person, the Father; the Messiah is a human being.
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    An Onymous Brother=>All objections are doctrinal pre-flesh Jesus can't be Michael because! And then silence.

    Well lets end the silence

    Because the Jesus who was is not an angel and Michael is a angel and a commander of other angels. Hebrews -about the Son

    This does not state Michael raised anyone from the dead
    Daniel 12
    .“At that time Michael, the great prince, the protector of your people, shall arise. There shall be a time of anguish, such as has never occurred since nations first came into existence. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book. 2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth[a] shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky,[b] and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, keep the words secret and the book sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be running back and forth, and evil[c] shall increase.”

    Jesus will send out HIS ANGELS and Michael is a angel.
    “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

    And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    Seven angels sound 7 trumpets. Not the Son. (revelation)
    Jesus holds the 7 stars in His hands. He also has the eyes of the Lord in His hands as well. (revelation)

    One of the 7 angels sounds the last trumpet. And then the Kingdom of this world shall become the kingdom of God and of His Christ

    Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of rhis Christ, and she shall reign forever and ever.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    Jewish monotheism - the belief that God is only one person, the Father; the Messiah is a human being.
    But they were mistaken - "coming on the clouds of heaven -sitting at the right hand of God" "a kingdom not of this world" "remains forever"

    "My Kingdom is not of this world" -Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    But they were mistaken...
    No they, including Jesus, weren't.

    .... "coming on the clouds of heaven -sitting at the right hand of God" "a kingdom not of this world" "remains forever"

    "My Kingdom is not of this world" -Jesus
    That's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    No they, including Jesus, weren't.



    That's right.
    Gathers the elect from the "ends of the heavens"

    Yes they were and you - Jesus wasn't

    John 6:62
    Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?

    The Son that was (His Spirit) was in that body and the Spirit of the Father was in Him. I would state "still" in Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy View Post
    Gathers the elect from the "ends of the heavens"

    Yes they were and you - Jesus wasn't

    John 6:62
    Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?

    The Son that was (His Spirit) was in that body and the Spirit of the Father was in Him. I would state "still" in Him.
    There is no God besides Jesus'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1an View Post
    Is that a typo, or do you mean it?


    For several years you insisted on this board "God is One person". Recently you said that one (oddly, not all) of the analogies you used to illustrate your statement was a typo.

    For ten years I've been saying on this board "There is no God besides Jesus'". At no time have I ever said, nor at any time will I ever say, that my statement is a typo. It isn't.

    There is no God besides Jesus'. Everything else is idols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post


    For several years you insisted on this board "God is One person". Recently you said that one (oddly, not all) of the analogies you used to illustrate your statement was a typo.

    For ten years I've been saying on this board "There is no God besides Jesus'". At no time have I ever said, nor at any time will I ever say, that my statement is a typo. It isn't.

    There is no God besides Jesus'. Everything else is idols.
    What you are really saying is that there is no God besides Jesus' God.

    That is so deceitful.
    See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit.... and not according to Christ.
    For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily (Col 2:8-9)



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