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    Randy;Jesus is not a chief angel. Jesus is above the "class" designated as angels.

    And again, when God brings the firstborn into the world, he says,

    Question: Is God a firstborn? Firstborn of Himself? Of Themselves?

    “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

    Question: Kbniow what "worship" means?

    7 In speaking of the angels he says,

    “He makes his angels spirits,
    and his servants flames of fire.”

    8 But about the Son he says,
    “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
    9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.”


    Question: Are you mentally-challenged not to SEE this?

    Randy; Neither the Son nor His apostles stated Jesus was Michael or an angel.
    So who started that teaching and when?

    Question: God did: Mal 3:1- “Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me,
    and Jehovah whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple;
    the ANGEL of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming,
    says Jehovah of hosts. 2- But who can endure the day of his coming,
    and who can stand when he appears?


    And EVERYONE knew he was a Messenger ('angel') from God.
    1 Thess 416-:For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel ...no, he wasn't a trumpet...

    Randy; Michael is an angel and a commander of other angels.

    He still does, now know by his New Name, "Jesus"

    Jesus is the one and only at the Fathers side and He will send out His angels to gather the elect on the last day. A bodily resurrection.

    Question: True- what other kind iS there?
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    Mr. Corban,

    like TheQuestion me too believe Jesus had a prehuman existence.

    Although, I do not begin to see yet a link between the argument of the matter and the verse of Isaiah 9:6 you ask for (in the posts #4, page 1, and #28, page 3), I’m at your disposal - if you want - to comment this verse with you (while you wait for a Corban’s answer...).

    Bye.

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    Looks like you'll be having a lonnnnng wait, Landraider!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Even though the Bible says He sent His son?
    Even though Jesus himself said "Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began!"

    Do they just rip out pages from their Bibles to become so deluded?
    not sure of your personal theology.

    but only Gospel of John claims Jesus as God and had a pre-existance.

    all other works of NT affirm that Jesus was Son of God and was born via Mary (did not exist prior to his birth).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaffo View Post
    not sure of your personal theology.
    but only Gospel of John claims Jesus as God and had a pre-existance.
    all other works of NT affirm that Jesus was Son of God and was born via Mary (did not exist prior to his birth).
    Oh, the Endless ASSumptions......


    Phil 2:5
    - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
    6- who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
    7- but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
    8- And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
    9- Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Oh, the Endless ASSumptions......


    Phil 2:5
    - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
    6- who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
    7- but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
    8- And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
    9- Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name
    that is a work of Saul yes?

    where above does it state that Christ pre-existed his own birth?

    AFIAK Sual did not beleive Christ existed prior to his birth from Mary.

    in fact there is much evidence that he did not even think that that person was the same being that was "Born" then the former died on the Cross.

    the latter becoming resurrected was a higher being.

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    Gaffo- it was PAUL. He had changed.
    He says Jesus was in God's form (a spirit being) BEFORE becoming a man.
    You appear to be trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Gaffo- it was PAUL. He had changed.
    He says Jesus was in God's form (a spirit being) BEFORE becoming a man.
    You appear to be trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
    Saul says his Jesus was in his God's form - as you reference above.

    where above does Saul say his Jesus exist prior to his birth via Mary?

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    In the same reference.
    Not paying any attention?
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