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    Post Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

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    None of the Old Testament's sacrifices were restored to life, and in point of fact, quite a few of them were incinerated. Pieces and parts of some were even set aside to be eaten as sustenance for the Levitical priests and their families.

    So, if the OT's sacrifices could obtain the mercy of God without bringing them back to life, why then wouldn't a dead Jesus be just as effective as a living Jesus?

    The problem with previous stay-dead modes of sacrifice is that they couldn't expunge the people's personnel files; and those files are on track to be reviewed at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where people will be thoroughly vetted for citizenship in the new cosmos depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation.

    If the records show that certain people are essentially undesirable --i.e. capable of terrible things, especially dishonesty --then they will be denied immigration to the new heavens, the new earth, and the holy city.

    Christ's crucified body was restored to life in order to make it possible for God to expunge people's records.

    Rom 4:25 . . He was handed over for our transgressions, and was raised for our justification.

    The koiné Greek word for "justification" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent.

    In other words; Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain forgiveness for people's sins; but his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.

    An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to cook the books so that it appears people never did anything bad. On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from God's perspective it's all on the up and up.

    This is a serious issue under the terms and conditions of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The covenant's sacrifices obtained forgiveness for the people, but the sacrifices did not, and could not, obtain them exoneration. No, a record of their disobedience remained on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review.

    Q: Don't Catholics obtain exoneration when they go to confession?

    A: The scope of the Roman church's reconciliatory process is somewhat limited. It's primarily designed for absolution (1John 1:9) i.e. while it forgives a sinner's debt to God's law, and cleanses what is sometimes called the stain of sin, it does nothing to expunge the sinner's record.

    Justification, on the other hand, as per the koiné Greek word dikaioo, completely deletes the offender's criminal history; i.e. dikaioo wipes their records so clean and efficiently that there is nothing left that can in any way be used to prove that the sinner has ever been anything less than 100% innocent.

    Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that sinners need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping records on them.

    2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

    The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

    Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.

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    Post Re: Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

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    CCC 1031 . . As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire.

    The "elect" spoken of in CCC 1031 need not be concerned about a purifying fire seeing as how God keeps no records of their faults; neither their lesser nor their greater.

    2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

    The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

    Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.

    Q: God is letting the elect slide?

    A: In a manner of speaking, yes, because Christ took the elect's persons, and their records, with him to the cross.

    Isa 53:6 . .We had all gone astray like sheep, all following our own way; but The Lord laid upon him the guilt of us all.

    Rom 4:25 . .He was handed over for our transgressions.

    Rom 6:3 . . Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

    Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

    Col 3:2 . . For you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    Along with the benefit of Christ's crucifixion is the additional benefit of his resurrection.

    Rom 4:25 . . He was raised for our justification.

    The koiné Greek word for "justification" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent, i.e. to acquit.

    The word in Rom 4:25 is grammatically singular. i.e. it is not like this:

    "He was raised for our justifications."

    In other words: the innocence made available by Christ's resurrection is a permanent stamp of approval.

    Heb 10:14 . . For by one offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

    "those who are sanctified" refers to the elect spoken of in CCC 1031, because the Greek word is hagiazo (hag-ee-ad'-zo) which essentially means to set something aside for God; i.e. consecrate and/or dedicate.

    I think it goes without saying that people "perfected for all time" by Christ's crucifixion and his resurrection, would be overdone by additional purification; especially when not even God himself can find something in the elect requiring heat treatment.

    Rom 8:33 . .Who will bring a charge against God’s chosen ones? It is God who acquits us.

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    Christ's crucified body was restored to life in order to make it possible for God to expunge people's records.

    ● Rom 4:25 . . He was handed over for our transgressions, and was raised for our justification.

    The koiné Greek word for "justification" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent.

    In other words; Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain forgiveness for people's sins; but his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.
    False Teaching, Christ's death took away the sins of all for whom He died, in fact His Resurrection is a testimony to the same. Correct using Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    The word for is the greek prep dia which means :

    on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.

    Christ was delivered up on account of the offences of many, and because His death put away their sins, He was raised again on account of their Justification. The word Justification is the greek word dikaiósis and means:

    acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution,

    the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him; adjudging to be righteous, (A. V. justification):

    Now to say:

    but his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.
    Thats a lie !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The word for is the greek prep dia which means yada, yada, yada, etc.
    Of the eight common versions of the Bibles to which I have ready access; only two translated Rom 4:25 like you say it ought to be translated, and six didn't

    Along with that, the koiné Greek lexicon in my Strong's Concordance says that the preposition dia (dee-ah') denotes the channel of an act, and plus; there is more than one way to apply it.

    Well; I'm no linguist, so I pretty much have to rely upon the expertise of folk who know what they're doing. Seeing as how dia is somewhat ambiguous, and there lacks a consensus on how best to apply it; then I choose to stick with the majority and go with the simple explanation; i.e. people are granted acquittals based upon Christ's resurrection.

    1Cor 15:17 . . if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

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    Post Re: Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

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    When Christ passed away on the cross, he was essentially the embodiment of every sin that the whole world ever committed in the past, every sin the whole world is now committing, and every sin that the whole world will ever commit in the future; which includes the sins of people not yet born. (Isa 53:1-6, John 1:29, 1John 2:2)

    Now; here's my question. Did Jesus come back from death with those sins, i.e. how many sins of the whole world's sins did he retain unpunished?

    Well; I think that both sides of the aisle can readily agree that Jesus came back from death with zero of the world's past, present, and future sins unpunished; yes? Yes.

    Now, supposing I posit that God has devised an ingenious way to regard me as His son Jesus, i.e. when His son Jesus passed away on the cross, I too passed away. (Rom 6:3)

    Were that so, then when His son Jesus rose from the dead, I too rose from the dead (Col 2:12). And if he rose from the dead with zero sins unpunished, then I too rose from the dead with zero sins unpunished; which would mean, of course, that I would retain zero sins requiring treatment in a cleansing fire; viz: a purgatory.

    If you can appreciate how unreasonable and unnecessary it would be to subject God's son Jesus to a cleansing fire, then you can easily appreciate how unreasonable and unnecessary it would be to subject me to a cleansing fire.

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