LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon - click on LSJ.
Sometimes it's hard to express certain concepts in English because the "action-view" isn't representative. (Maybe "mind set" is the better term.) And as I've harped on before, the NKJV, the NASB, and YLT; all can easily be shown to have a translation error in Eph. 6:17, which is why I can't rely on any English translation. The verb form in Heb. 10:4 is an infinitive (e.g. to walk, to run, to sit, etc.), so even the "New" King James adds in the word "could". Most translators follow the herd and have a herd mentality. (Guess you could say I roll my own.)
I still like "remove" as the best gloss for English. Then again, I would note the following snippet from Liddell:
3. folld. by μή c. inf., prevent, hinder from doing,
In the infinitive with a negative particle (G102) we would see the aktionsart as "hinder from doing" ... So an extrapolated rendering would be "An impossibility it is for blood of bulls and of goats to prevent-(one)-from-doing sin." It may yield forgiveness (by some unfathomable divine rational of physics - think "entanglement") but the author of Hebrews certainly felt such wouldn't address the root cause of sin.
"Everybody thinks they're doing the right thing." - Gordon Anke
(One of wisest men I've known. RIP: March 5th 2017)
I have never said "no one is expected to be without sin". I have said, and believe, that all men sin.THen repeat it instead of "no one is expected to be without sin" excusing it.
1 John 1:No New Testament writer said any such thing.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
There are more.
There are verses that say all men sin (present tense).It is speaking of the past, not the future.
This is false.I don't. This is why you do, essentially.
"You should pay your taxes." What happens if you don't pay your taxes, Dottie? Is it a "nice to have" not to be thrown in jail?You have made it a matter one only "should" do which means it is a nice to have.
"You should get saved". What happens if you don't get saved? Is it a "nice to have" not to be thrown into gehenna?
While we can certainly avoid sinning much of the time, there are times we all fail. This includes Philip2, MM501, and you.Downgraded it from how it is described by the New Testament to being tolerated as it cannot be avoided.
You think it's a personal attack that you referred to yourself and your state of sin/righteousness?I refered to myself and my own state of sin/righteousness in my writings. That was a personal attack. Reminded me of the response of the Pharisees to Jesus. They hated it that he talked of righteousness.
Dottie, sometimes I think your brain gets ahead of what you're typing. Some of the things you say do not make sense.
That's your right, but you're dead wrong.I do not bellieve you.I love those words of Jesus.
That's a flat lie.You teach others to set aside the commands of God
Your problem (and Philip2, and MM501) is not understanding what being free from sin means.as no one can be free from sin.
See above.You call not sinning something the Christian only should do. No force in those words.
See above. People should pay taxes. People should get saved. There are serious repercussions if people do not do those things, particularly the second.The commands are not merely something a believer "should do." They are more than a "should."
You are not. You intentionally twist what people say and throw it back in their face to suit your own purposes.I am.
I have not lied about you and my teaching on sin is not lax.Please try to stop attacking me as a person saying lies about me in order to support your lax teaching on sin.
I wish we could get along better, Dottie.
Jesus said the "truth" would free me from committing sin. (John 8:32-34)
He was right, and He can free you too.
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"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)
But seriously speaking, could the serpent have been any more convincing than shroom and Judy's "Christianity-based" reassurances of "ye shall not surely die" in your disobedience?
... and doesn't eternal security in heaven with God (no matter what you do) even go beyond "ye shall not surely die" but enters into the realm of "and ye shall be as gods"?