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    [QUOTE=1an;1316734]

    A woman was admiring a picture in a Paris art gallery when a man walked up to her, and standing beside her said, "did you know that "he who" created that picture cut off his ear?" She had no idea who the person was that spoke to her, until an official asked, "what did van Gogh say to you?"
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    A more fitting example of an Illeism to make your point could be ""Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1an View Post

    An example of how JW's pervert the written word.
    Or, like an example of how trinitarian say anything they want despite what the words say.
    "You [the Father], the Only True God" -- Jesus Christ (1st Century CE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1an View Post

    A more fitting example of an Illeism to make your point could be ""Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
    That is good example of Christ's humility.

    Wiki tells us that, "One common usage of Illeism is to impart humility​ by referring to yourself in he third person.
    God who came to his own said, "Thou shalt not kill,"
    but Yahweh said, "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Deu 20:16

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1an View Post

    A woman was admiring a picture in a Paris art gallery when a man walked up to her, and standing beside her said, "did you know that "he who" created that picture cut off his ear?" She had no idea who the person was that spoke to her, until an official asked, "what did van Gogh say to you?"
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    The man speaking would not be the "he." If proper language is used and there are various different ones in the world, the woman would know from the question that it was not the man unless the man identifies himself as that particular man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Onymous Brother View Post
    Or, like an example of how trinitarian say anything they want despite what the words say.
    Like John 1:1 "And the Word was Archangel"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stjohn View Post
    The man speaking would not be the "he." If proper language is used and there are various different ones in the world, the woman would know from the question that it was not the man unless the man identifies himself as that particular man.
    Jesus was quoting scripture there when he said "He who". He was speaking specifically of the one who created all things.

    The Bible tells us God created all things, but it also says all things were created through Jesus. What does that mean? Think of the Israelites. God delivered Israel form Egypt, but he did it through Moses. Can anyone say Moses delivered Israel? No. He was acting in behalf of Jehovah. And it was only by Jehovah's power and direction that Israel was delivered. Did it need to be Moses that He did this through? No. It could have been through anyone. But in this case it was Moses. Could Moses have done this without Jehovah? No!

    Same with creation. It is only by God's power and direction that everything exists. But by God's choice, He created everything through Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBax View Post
    Jesus was quoting scripture there when he said "He who". He was speaking specifically of the one who created all things.
    Genesis 1:1 is quite clear that a single ELOHIYM was the creator, this is backed by every text of scripture. Jesus was not the Genesis account creator. The only way to say that he was would be to tell people that Jesus is YHVH and adopt the oneness doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stjohn View Post
    Genesis 1:1 is quite clear that a single ELOHIYM was the creator, this is backed by every text of scripture. Jesus was not the Genesis account creator. The only way to say that he was would be to tell people that Jesus is YHVH and adopt the oneness doctrine.
    You are correct that Jesus was not the "Genesis account creator". In fact my whole point was that Jehovah God is the creator. And yet He chose to do it through a master worker. In the genesis account, who was God talking to when He said "Let us make..."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBax View Post
    Jesus was quoting scripture there when he said "He who". He was speaking specifically of the one who created all things.

    The Bible tells us God created all things, but it also says all things were created through Jesus. What does that mean? Think of the Israelites. God delivered Israel form Egypt, but he did it through Moses. Can anyone say Moses delivered Israel? No. He was acting in behalf of Jehovah. And it was only by Jehovah's power and direction that Israel was delivered. Did it need to be Moses that He did this through? No. It could have been through anyone. But in this case it was Moses. Could Moses have done this without Jehovah? No!

    Same with creation. It is only by God's power and direction that everything exists. But by God's choice, He created everything through Jesus.
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    Oh- this is FUN!
    So the moral of his story, is that ONE God created all- heh- OTHER things thru ANOTHER God...using the Nameless Ghost God?
    The INSANITY of CHURCHianity! Unequaled in All Religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
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    Oh- this is FUN!
    So the moral of his story, is that ONE God created all- heh- OTHER things thru ANOTHER God...using the Nameless Ghost God?
    Your fingers (body) did the physical work, that you did with all your heart and soul by the inspiration of your spirit. You are One person.

    Body, soul and spirit One God.
    God who came to his own said, "Thou shalt not kill,"
    but Yahweh said, "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Deu 20:16

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