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    Quote Originally Posted by kjw47 View Post
    Blind guides that don't know symbolism from reality teach the earth and heavens will literally be destroyed. But the OT assures--This earth will NEVER be made to totter. This Satan ruled system is what will burn. Gods kingdom rule will take over forever. The NEW earth = Gods kingdom in full control, no more satan influences, no more mortal govts.
    I'm not saying that you are incorrect but if you are incorrect about symbolism vs reality, does that make you and your cult leaders blind guides also?

    Young's Literal Translation
    2 Peter 3:10
    and it will come -- the day of the Lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

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    2 Peter 3:10 But Jehovah’s* day+ will come as a thief,+ in which the heavens will pass away+ with a roar,* but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.+

    It kind of sounds physical there where it says "the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved", doesn't it?

    So I don't think "earth and sky" is just a metaphor. Is it a contradiction?

    This is a learned discussion of the textual and interpretive issues surrounding the verse:

    https://bible.org/article/brief-note...em-2-peter-310
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruminator View Post
    I'm not saying that you are incorrect but if you are incorrect about symbolism vs reality, does that make you and your cult leaders blind guides also?

    Young's Literal Translation
    2 Peter 3:10
    and it will come -- the day of the Lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

    New World Translation
    2 Peter 3:10 But Jehovah’s* day+ will come as a thief,+ in which the heavens will pass away+ with a roar,* but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.+

    It kind of sounds physical there where it says "the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved", doesn't it?

    So I don't think "earth and sky" is just a metaphor. Is it a contradiction?

    This is a learned discussion of the textual and interpretive issues surrounding the verse:

    https://bible.org/article/brief-note...em-2-peter-310


    There is too much evidence against it being physical. Like at Proverbs 2:21-22-- The upright and blameless will be leftover on the earth.-- after the trib and Har-mageddon as Matt 24:22--teaches. Into the NEW earth--Gods kingdom in control, no more satan influences for 1000 years, Many resurrected loved ones will get to learn and apply Gods will during that time. EARTH will become a Garden of Eden( Paradise) Then satan is loosed for a little while to test them, some follow him into the lake of fire. The rest get life everlasting, never sick, diseased, aging like now, etc,etc.
    Gods will = Mortals knowing only good and choosing with their free will to listen to his advice to find the path to lasting happiness.

    Come take lifes waters free

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjw47 View Post
    There is too much evidence against it being physical. Like at Proverbs 2:21-22-- The upright and blameless will be leftover on the earth.-- after the trib and Har-mageddon as Matt 24:22--teaches. Into the NEW earth--Gods kingdom in control, no more satan influences for 1000 years, Many resurrected loved ones will get to learn and apply Gods will during that time. EARTH will become a Garden of Eden( Paradise) Then satan is loosed for a little while to test them, some follow him into the lake of fire. The rest get life everlasting, never sick, diseased, aging like now, etc,etc.
    Gods will = Mortals knowing only good and choosing with their free will to listen to his advice to find the path to lasting happiness.
    Did you read the paper that I provided a link for?
    It's a wonderful life

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