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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisHill View Post
    The majority of Islamic culture around the world is incompatible with Western culture.

    Also 'it's their culture' is not a valid excuse for doing evil things.

    Also the regard for Nations with predominantly evil Islamic cultures, such as Saudi Arabia, in the UN and by Globalists in general, in my opinion, shows their true colors: they seek to unite in oppression, not to unite in freedom.
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    Does it bother you at all, that if the West had not brought Christianity to heel, it would look almost identical to Islam, in terms of intolerance homophobia and misogyny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste View Post
    Islam is not evil per se, but like many things there are evil people who use Islam for their own ends.
    Hitler's policies were not evil either, but like many things there are evil people who use the Nazi rules for their own ends.

    The same can be said for Christianity.

    Islam is a slave holding ideology. If you cannot see that it is evil then you might wonder where your moral sense is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfKC View Post
    How is it not obvious to any objective observer that requiring women to hide their face is a form of subservience, if not not flat-out oppression?

    Why does the world think it's okay for Muslims to carry out their sharia law nonsense? Moderate muslims should come out and denounce sharia law.

    And, for that matter, if I were a boss, I'd wonder why the f my workers go missing several times a day to go pray. I don't find that acceptable.

    Even the Judeo-Christian "traditions" of requiring respectable women to wear hats or veils is symbolic of making them the second class.

    As long as the world tolerates or accommodates even the more benign forms of misogyny espoused by the Abrahamic religions we will not evolve as a race.
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    The more we tolerate and show even a benign respect for religions like Christianity and Islam, who do not deserve it, the harder it will be to bring them to heel and civilized behavior.

    Both Christianity and Islam, basically, have developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste View Post
    If and unless Muslim women protest, nothing will change. In my world, if westerners go into Islamic countries and make demands, they are going about it all wrong and violating rights just as much as if we were the oppressors, no thank you.
    If the U.N. has such countries that go against their human rights code then they should be ejected.

    Instead, they take one of the worst offenders, Saudi Arabia, and make it head of the human rights commission.

    Strange that you think that those who would free slave as oppressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathrus View Post
    Another thought, in addition to my earlier post in this thread.
    I hear American Christians and conservatives, including several here on this forum saying things like "Oh you (liberals/socialists/leftists/Democrats/insert unpopular-to-evangelicals name here) say you stand for equality for women but you don't raise any objection to the treatment of women by Muslims!" And usually this is said by people on the political far right and by evangelicals to justify their own support for oppression of women or their patriarchal beliefs derived from old covenant Jewish scriptures.

    To this, I say that I am not a Muslim. I am a westerner, raised in a largely Christian society, attending Christian worship services for many years.
    I will worry about cleaning my own house. If we'd all do the same, many of the conversations I described in my last paragraph would be unnecessary.
    Who is more likely to use genocide? God or Satan?

    As a Christian, can you tell us why you follow a genocidal God that is more Satan-like than God-like?

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    Greatest; I agree it makes no sense to me.

    Still it is totally unfair, cross cultural judging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest I am View Post
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    The more we tolerate and show even a benign respect for religions like Christianity and Islam, who do not deserve it, the harder it will be to bring them to heel and civilized behavior.

    Both Christianity and Islam, basically, have developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds.

    Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest I am View Post
    Who is more likely to use genocide? God or Satan?

    As a Christian, can you tell us why you follow a genocidal God that is more Satan-like than God-like?

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    GIA,(orDL),
    How do you reconcile what you wrote in this first post of yours to what you wrote to me?
    Jesus Christ would not recognize those professing Christianity today as His followers (I am not disputing that claim), yet the God of Christianity is genocidal?
    You are starting to contradict yourself.
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    Just for your information, according to C.S.Lewis in his "Screwtape Letters" Satan would rather humans die quietly without even realizing they are headed in the wrong direction. Genocide is more of a human thing. Frankly it is the fear, not the death that would be of Satanic influence. The problem with such scary death is there is a high probability of many of the victims converting at the last moment. Even though Screwtape is kind of old, it is a good book to read.

    Remember first century Rome. Even with the many Christians killed, their numbers exploded. Death was just not a reason for denying their religion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest I am View Post
    I like this. Thanks.

    Does it bother you at all, that if the West had not brought Christianity to heel, it would look almost identical to Islam, in terms of intolerance homophobia and misogyny?

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    It doesn't bother me because Christianity is and has been anti-God (though they pay lip service of course) since 1 to 2 generations after its conception.

    This speaks of them well:

    “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
    And honor Me with their lips,
    But have removed their hearts far from Me,
    And their awe toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

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    You seem to have attempted in basing you judgement on institutions and not individuals. No Religion, any religion can save an individual. That is between God and the individual. The new covenant is not with any nationality nor is it with a religion but is one to one God, to each of us.
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