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    The Lord Jesus having accomplished the work of redemption, the Father has introduced redeemed man into His presence, and set him in glory (for oneness with God and the saints; Jhn 17:22—NC). Having proved man to be a sinner, He was not content to simply “take away sin,” but He would see him as His own, and enable him to enjoy all His grace in perfect peace, giving him to understand that His righteousness was accomplished in and by His Son.

    Souls convinced of sin enjoy all the fullness of the sovereign grace of God, because there is no more question of sins for them. By the ministry of the Holy Spirit this effect is produced; there is the consciousness of the perfect righteousness of the Father Himself without conscience of sins. Can you say that there is no question of sins for you? Is this question entirely at rest, and your relation to the Father founded on that?

    Have you recognized that your responsibility, your relation to the Father, is based upon the accomplished righteousness of the Lord Jesus (1Cor 1:30—NC)? If so, you are happy and blessed. Formerly you were a sinner (no longer considered as such by God—Rom 8:9. Though believers yet sin, there are no Scriptural references describing a believer as a sinner—NC), but now you can say, My Father loves me. I do not speak of your thoughts; but you have made the discovery that you are the Father’s child by faith in His Son, that your responsibility as a sinner is closed. Is your heart thus at large? Do you consider before Him that you have been crucified with Christ, and that sin is gone for you?

    I cannot have the feelings of a bride towards one whom I dread as my judge. I need the consciousness of being in the presence of my Bridegroom, according to that loving-kindness which is better than life (Psa 63:3—NC).

    Is your Father your daily resource in your faults and sins, even when you have committed them? Do you believe that His love can do that? This is where the Apostle Paul regards the believer as set; and, when the contrary happens, the Jewish position is more or less taken by the heart. If I have not full confidence in my Father, I must seek something outside, instead of having recourse to Him to receive strength and to restore my soul to fellowship with Him. If the Father is your resource, you will not seek the law.

    The touchstone for the believer is, whether his resources are in the Father or in himself. Perhaps, like the Jews, he seeks to offer sacrifices. If believers, then we are under grace, and it is of moment for us to be clear as to the position into which the Lord Jesus has brought us. There we are blessed in His presence; there also we are in possession of the precious things which are promised us—“all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.” For it is not the promises which constitute our joy and peace, but the Lord Jesus Christ, in whom we have them all “Yea, and Amen” (2 Cor 1:20), in virtue of the work which has been wrought and accepted.

    May the Father strengthen us more and more in the consciousness of His love, which has saved us, and brought us into His presence to enjoy all that He is for us. The Lord Jesus will be the Object of all our thoughts. May we have it simple and settled before us, that it is no more our old selves that live, but Christ that lives in us as our new Life; that nothing is lacking in the accomplishment of the requirements of the Father, and that our position is based eternally upon His love and life.

    - J N Darby

    Excerpt for 2-13 by MJS: “When the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin, it is to remove self from the throne of our hearts. When the Holy Spirit fills us, it is to place the Lord Jesus on the throne of our hearts. Ours is the choice—”not I, but Christ” (Gal. 2:20); His is the work, for He is “the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8:2). http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/day/2017/02/13/







    The Christian life is not our living a life like Christ, but it is Christ Himself living His own life through us; 'no longer I, but Christ.'" -MJS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetChaplain View Post
    [COLOR="#000080"]..... Though believers yet sin, there are no Scriptural references describing a believer as a sinner—NC),....
    That's false:

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

    18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

    Luke 5:8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    That's false:

    1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, [B]that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
    I believe Paul's humbly using a hyperbolic expression relating to his former life before rebirth, when he was in "unbelief" (v 13). The verb "am" in "I am" is the Greek "eimi" and in the proper context can mean "was" or "had been":
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G1510&t=KJV

    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

    18 [B]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
    These passages are not referring to one in Christ as sinners, but are confirming they are not still sinners. Gal 2:16-19 is referring to the position of one who attempts an admixture of law and grace. I suggest reading them in the NLT . . . (https://www.blueletterbible.org/nlt/gal/2/16/s_1093016), or a Bible commentator for the proper interpretation: http://www.studylight.org/commentari...latians-2.html

    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    Luke 5:8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
    This was prior to Christ's ascension, thus they had not yet received the Spirit of God, which then puts the believer's "old man" in the crucified state; which crucifixion places believers apart from the "dominion" of the sinful nature and is no longer "in the flesh" (Rom 8:9), hence no longer considered by God as a "sinner."
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    I believe that St. Paul understands the Teaching which is reflected in St. John's epistle:

    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    The understanding that I get from Scripture, is that the Christian will continue to struggle with sin, until his faith is purified. Whether in this life or the next.

    1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

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    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria View Post
    I believe that St. Paul understands the Teaching which is reflected in St. John's epistle:

    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    The understanding that I get from Scripture, is that the Christian will continue to struggle with sin, until his faith is purified. Whether in this life or the next.

    1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
    It's okay, but you're confused with my issue. As you can see in your #2 post reply I do not claim that those who are reborn no longer sin, but that they are no longer considered as sinners!
    The Christian life is not our living a life like Christ, but it is Christ Himself living His own life through us; 'no longer I, but Christ.'" -MJS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetChaplain View Post
    It's okay, but you're confused with my issue. As you can see in your #2 post reply I do not claim that those who are reborn no longer sin, but that they are no longer considered as sinners!
    In Ireland they call that "blarney".

    How can something born of an apple seed bring forth anything but apples?
    Does the same logic not apply to those born of Godly seed?
    YES!
    "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetChaplain View Post
    It's okay, but you're confused with my issue. As you can see in your #2 post reply I do not claim that those who are reborn no longer sin, but that they are no longer considered as sinners!
    With that, I agree. Thanks for pointing that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetChaplain View Post
    It's okay, but you're confused with my issue. As you can see in your #2 post reply I do not claim that those who are reborn no longer sin, but that they are no longer considered as sinners!
    With that, I agree. Thanks for pointing that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    In Ireland they call that "blarney".

    How can something born of an apple seed bring forth anything but apples?
    Have you ever heard of "rotten" apples?

    Does the same logic not apply to those born of Godly seed?
    YES!
    You answered your own question. Those born of Godly seed can be corrupted. The very first example of such happening is Lucifer, who, of course, fell and became Satan.

    Then, there's Adam and Eve, both of whom were pure but fell away and were cast out of Eden.

    Then Canaan and Saul and many others until we get to Judas Iscariot. Then we find mentioned in the New Testament, all those who were heretics and wanted to continue to enforce circumcision and those who denied the resurrection and so on and so forth.

    So the Scripture is clear:

    Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    In Ireland they call that "blarney".

    How can something born of an apple seed bring forth anything but apples?
    Does the same logic not apply to those born of Godly seed?
    YES!
    I know what you mean Phil and I used to think one reborn could live without sinning, same as most who also thought so, but God shows us in time concerning the truth of this issue. Even if those reborn were meant to be sinless and live without sinning, there would be no difference in God's favor in us, because it's based on His Son, and us in our new nature which is "created after His image" (Col 3:10).

    It's the Christian in the new nature ("seed" - 1 Jhn 3:9), when "walking in the Spirit" (Gal 5:25) that "does not sin", but we weren't intended to be completely sinless until the Body of Christ is united simultaneously at the first resurrection.

    Blessings to your Family!
    The Christian life is not our living a life like Christ, but it is Christ Himself living His own life through us; 'no longer I, but Christ.'" -MJS

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