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    Default Who is correct? Biblical Unitarian's or The Watchtower Society?

    The Watchtower Society teaches that the Word in John 1:1 is Jesus.

    The Biblical Unitarian's teach that the Word in John 1:1 is not Jesus.

    Who is correct?

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    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God.
    This one was in the beginning with God.
    All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence
    by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
    And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.
    (Watchtower, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, John 1:1-5)

    vs.

    In the beginnynge was the worde: and the worde was with God.
    The same was in the beginnyage with God.
    All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made.
    In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
    and the lyght shineth in the darcknes but the darckness comprehended it not.
    (William Tyndale, The New Testament, John 1:1-5)

    See also the other English translations from the Greek manuscripts* published prior to 1611.

    *The Wycliffe translation was from Latin, not from the Greek manuscripts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Fountain View Post

    Who is correct?
    Jesus, of course;

    "And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."




    (John 14:24, Jesus said, the word was God's.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias View Post
    (Watchtower, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, John 1:1-5)

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    (William Tyndale, The New Testament, John 1:1-5)

    See also the other English translations from the Greek manuscripts* published prior to 1611.

    *The Wycliffe translation was from Latin, not from the Greek manuscripts.

    Hey, Matt, your quote from the newest version of the NWT is nearly perfect. However, most JWs would say that your capitalizing the translation of theos ['a God'] in 1:1c is an important error. All editions of the NWT have always rendered the anarthrous theos here as "a god."

    I could accept either interpretation of Logos, but as a JW, I prefer the Logos is Jesus interpretation. And I strongly believe the unmodified, anarthrous theos in 1:1c should be rendered as 'a god.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger 2 View Post
    Hey, Matt, your quote from the newest version of the NWT is nearly perfect. However, most JWs would say that your capitalizing the translation of theos ['a God'] in 1:1c is an important error. All editions of the NWT have always rendered the anarthrous theos here as "a god."

    I could accept either interpretation of Logos, but as a JW, I prefer the Logos is Jesus interpretation. And I strongly believe the unmodified, anarthrous theos in 1:1c should be rendered as 'a god.'
    Thank you for bringing this to my attention, Tigger. I typed the verses and used a small "g" in 1:1c but failed to notice after posting that autocorrect changed it to a capital "G". I commend you for the gentle spirit you expressed while offering correction. It was well received and much appreciated.

    My apologies to you and to our readers for not catching and correcting it.
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    Mattathias

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention, Tigger. I typed the verses and used a small "g" in 1:1c but failed to notice after posting that autocorrect changed it to a capital "G". I commend you for the gentle spirit you expressed while offering correction. It was well received and much appreciated.


    Mattathias, maybe your computer is your GOD , as Moses was a god to Pharaoh, (autocorrect changed it to a capital "G") my computer wonít do that no matter what I try.


    In the beginnynge was the worde: and the worde was with God.

    (William Tyndale, The New Testament, John 1:1-5)
    Mattathias maybe your computer is mad at you for not accepting itís autocorrect changing it to a capital "G" and left off the end of John1:1 Tyndale : and the worde was God.

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    John 1:1, In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehushuan View Post
    Wow, Matt, you're off your game somehow...
    I had a lot going on while I was posting.

    Thanks. Now we have the Watchtower Society translation vs. a translation I accept as a Biblical Unitarian.

    Hope things are ok....
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    (A)Mattathias meaning Gift Of Yah
    (B)Zedekiah meaning Right of Jah Strong,s H 6667 From H6664 and H3050
    --------------------(A)Mattaniah meaning gift of Jah


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real Milk Man View Post
    Jesus, of course;

    "And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."




    (John 14:24, Jesus said, the word was God's.)

    Hello The Real Milk Man,

    Thank you for spilling a smidgen of your milk.

    How about the OP please?

    If we follow the subjects in John 1, wouldn't the tilt of being correct lean toward the JW's for the mere fact they know that the Word in John 1:1 is Jesus?

    Biblical Unitarians do know the subjects in John 1 right?

    What say ye?
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