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    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
    but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
    ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name,
    and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them,
    ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
    … But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them,
    will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
    and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and
    beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:21-27, NKJV)


    I never knew you who practice lawlessness, break God’s laws, act wickedly
    Matthew 7:23, “knew” >> to know, “ginosko”, Strong’s #1097.
    From “Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words” …
    “to know, ‘ginosko’, Strong’s #1097: “here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval and
    bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ in 2 Tim 2:19; cf. John 10:14, John 10:27”
    “The Lord knows (approves of) those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19)
    “I know (approve of) My sheep, and am known by My own.” (John 10:14)
    “My sheep hear My voice, and I know (approve of) them, and they follow Me.
    And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28)
    Matt 7:23 (NASB) “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
    Matt 7:23 (NLT) “I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who break God’s laws.”
    Matt 7:23 (TLB) “You have never been Mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.”
    Matt 7:23 (AMP) “depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].”

    Jesus has never approved of those so-called “believers” …
    who “practice lawlessness” instead of practicing righteousness!
    “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
    whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

    Do you really believe practicing righteousness includes habitually sinning?

    Great was the fall
    Those who hear Jesus’ sayings, but don’t do them, have a great fall.
    Is this fall from salvation, or from rewards? Lol

    If you really know Jesus, you love Him and obey His commandments

    John 14:15, 21, 23, 24 • “If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word (commandments).”
    John 8:31 • “If you abide in (obey) My word, you are My disciples indeed.”
    John 8:51 • “Most assuredly … if anyone obeys My word he shall never see death.”

    Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, obey the commandments.”
    Luke 8:21 • “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and obey it.”
    Luke 11:28 • “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it!”
    Luke 8:15 • “But the ones (hearers of the word of God) that fell on the good ground
    are those who … obey it and bear fruit with patience.”

    Hebrews 5:9 • “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
    James 1:21 • “But be obeyers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”
    Romans 8:4, NLT • “So now we are able to obey God’s laws, if we follow after the Holy Spirit”

    1 John 2:3 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we obey His commandments.
    1 John 2:17 • “… but he who obeys the will of God abides forever.”
    1 John 3:24 • “Now he who obeys His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.”

    So, whose slave do you choose to be? … “(a slave) of sin leading to death,
    OR (a slave) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)


    To the grace-only believer
    Don’t you care if Jesus “knows” (approves of) you or not?
    Do you really believe that you’re going to heaven regardless?
    Part of being “lukewarm” is NOT obeying Jesus’ commandments!
    It’s all selfishness … not caring anything about the wishes of our Savior.
    Jesus says: If you are a lukewarm believer, you think you are A-OK, but …
    “you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17).
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    "... you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)

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    This is not going to be a popular thread. Few, very few want to obey God except to believe God is saving them no matter how they behave. Then there are those who think obeying is believing they are freed from sin, no matter how they really behave. Raw obedience is a rare.
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    b wrote: 1 John 2:3 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we obey His commandments.
    Dear b,
    Without defining those "commandments" your listeners will surely skate right around that verse. They take the word of Paul, and think they have been "released from the Law" (Romans 7:6). Who are you to dissuade them from the "broad" "way" to their final destination (Mt 7:13)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    Raw obedience is a rare.
    Yes, and/but it is throughout the gospels and epistles!
    So, what's up with this anyway?
    "... you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    Dear b, Who are you to dissuade them from the "broad" "way" to their final destination (Mt 7:13)?
    It's the same deal as with evangelizing.
    In Communist Eastern Europe, we left several different fantastic 50-page gospel tracts,
    and then basically left for the next village without mucho discussing and/or arguing.

    Jesus Himself told me that I was evangelizing both the elect and non-elect.
    He said that He did not want multitudes of the non-elect at the Judgment
    complaining that no one told them!
    Even though, IMO, He has to give the elect the faith enabling them to believe!
    Go figure!

    Hey, we speak the Truth to someone.
    Then, it's up to the Holy Spirit to convince.
    "... you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    Yes, and/but it is throughout the gospels and epistles!
    So, what's up with this anyway?
    They don't want to do so and don't want to be told they need to do so. This is the me me me me my salvation my salvation my salvation Gospel. You can read their posts, post after post, about how wonderful it is that God saved them. Period. No love for God. No love for man. Just love for their butts going to Heaven. "Whew..dodged all those hot bullets.....now I can enjoy this life with all its pleasures and know where I will be in eternity" is the cry.

    The worse part is that those who might really love God and wonder if there is an expression of their love they can do are told that this is "works salvation." You would not believe it but you tell them about obeying God and how incredibly satisfying it is and how God rewards them with fellowship and this is more wonderful than any pleasure the world has to offer (not to mention we are supposed to do these things and want to do them) and they will respond "works salvation" and "how you are not really saved" because you want to love God.

    They love their lives and pleasures more than anything else. I try to encourage those who want to love God in their deeds that they can do so, are commanded to do so, and the pleasure of doing so outweighs the costs by a magnitude. It is really wonderful to come to the last decades of life and have a whole lifetime of doing what God wanted a person to do. It is the treasure in Heaven no man can steal. And the best part is one comes to know God. There is no other way but the reward of the fellowhip of his suffering is beyond measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    Even though, IMO, He has to give the elect the faith enabling them to believe!
    Go figure!
    Could you please supply a verse or two that substantiates your opinion?

    Hey, we speak the Truth to someone.
    Then, it's up to the Holy Spirit to convince.
    This seems to me to imply that it is God's fault if nobody believes.
    I can't hold to that POV.
    "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    The B: Yes, and/but warnings are throughout the gospels and epistles!
    So, what's up with this anyway?

    They love their lives and pleasures more than anything else.
    Yes, but I meant what's up with ignoring ALL of the MANY warnings in their beloved NT?

    Along with the other disasters ...
    Disobedience proves unbelief (Heb 3), and unbelief proves NO eternal life!
    "... you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    Could you please supply a verse or two that substantiates your opinion?
    This seems to me to imply that it is God's fault if nobody believes.
    I can't hold to that POV.
    Yes, but don't have time at the moment to locate them.
    NO ONE DESERVES HEAVEN !!!
    SOME ARE WELCOME ONLY THRU GOD's GRACE!
    PRAISE THE LORD that SOME CAN MAKE IT IN.
    This is the beginning of understanding.
    "... you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie View Post
    They don't want to do so and don't want to be told they need to do so. This is the me me me me my salvation my salvation my salvation Gospel. You can read their posts, post after post, about how wonderful it is that God saved them. Period. No love for God. No love for man. Just love for their butts going to Heaven. "Whew..dodged all those hot bullets.....now I can enjoy this life with all its pleasures and know where I will be in eternity" is the cry.

    The worse part is that those who might really love God and wonder if there is an expression of their love they can do are told that this is "works salvation." You would not believe it but you tell them about obeying God and how incredibly satisfying it is and how God rewards them with fellowship and this is more wonderful than any pleasure the world has to offer (not to mention we are supposed to do these things and want to do them) and they will respond "works salvation" and "how you are not really saved" because you want to love God.

    They love their lives and pleasures more than anything else. I try to encourage those who want to love God in their deeds that they can do so, are commanded to do so, and the pleasure of doing so outweighs the costs by a magnitude. It is really wonderful to come to the last decades of life and have a whole lifetime of doing what God wanted a person to do. It is the treasure in Heaven no man can steal. And the best part is one comes to know God. There is no other way but the reward of the fellowhip of his suffering is beyond measure.
    Good grief, good thing Dottie is here to DECIDE and EXPRESS what other people think, believe and do.
    Too bad an individuals OWN WORDS are not sufficient!

    They don't want to do so
    "they" don't care what your "opinion" is.

    and don't want to be told they need to do so.
    "they" don't look to YOU, for spiritual advise.

    read their posts, post after post, about how wonderful it is that God saved them
    "uh huh", to "your" dislike, lol.

    No love for God.
    "your words", not "theirs".

    No love for man.
    "your words", not "theirs".

    Just love for their butts going to Heaven.
    "Just" ? LOL "your words", not "theirs".

    now I can enjoy this life with all its pleasures and know where I will be in eternity" is the cry.
    "your words", not "theirs". lol

    they will respond "works salvation" and "how you are not really saved" because you want to love God.
    LOL "your words", not "theirs". lol

    They love their lives and pleasures more than anything else.
    LOL "your words", not "theirs". lol

    I try to encourage those who want to love God
    LOL

    Those who are Saved and Born of God, HAVE their relationship with God, that does not include YOU.
    YOU may require to be told repeatedly that YOU are LOVED.
    However NO MAN is required to notify you EVER how they Love the Lord.

    And the best part is one comes to know God.
    LOL ~
    You want to preach to men saved and born again ... HOW to come to KNOW GOD, and HOW you think they SHOULD avoid speaking of His gifts and speak repeatedly about HOW they Love God.

    LOL ~ Good grief Dottie, a 10 yr old can comprehend a man saved and born again, KNOWS God and LOVES God, and does not require a lesson on what has already been accomplished!

    Your idea of Loving God is speaking for others, and then lambasting others for WHAT YOU HAVE SAID FOR THEM!

    You don't even get how TWISTED your load of NONSENSE is.
    Praise and Glory to Lord God Almighty, for His Great Name's Sake.

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