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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    Dear p2,
    Titus appears to be a poet who does not know it. And no, all things are not pure, even under the illusions that they are. If all things were pure, you would not have "them that are defiled and unbelieving". You are under the illusion that you are sinless and pure, but you follow the nonsensical ramblings of writings such as Titus. That kind of undermines the illusion that your are sinless and pure. Just because the Roman church says that the letter to Titus is from God, does not make it so.
    It is a shame you have decided to cast out such a large percentage of God's word from the bible.
    It must be disheartening to have the god you serve: one who cannot control what is published in His name.
    BTW, the catholic "church" is not of God.
    "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    one who cannot control what is published in His name.
    You mean like the Book of Mormon?
    "Everybody thinks they're doing the right thing." - Gordon Anke

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    You that believe we must walk in the Spirit do you also agree that walking in the Spirit is by faith?
    If so, then consider whether men need their faith to grow and be finished by Jesus.

    Unlike the claim that a man doesn't sin I present to you that any unbelief towards God displeases him.
    Doesn't God warn us to not shrink back?

    Every time any of us, boasters included, fail to rightly read what God has said to us we prove ourse!ves to be among them of little faith.
    Didn"t Jesus reveal his dissappointment when the apostles failed to understand his parables and sayings.
    Was God pleased when apostles returned to the laws of Moses and pretended that the gentile believerrs in Jesus were not worthy of fellowship?
    Even Paul failed when he returned to Jerusalem and planned on offering some sacrifices for the benefit of the Jews until being arrested by the enemies of the gospel prevented him. Surely you know how Peter vacilated in his faith.
    James expressed the rarity of finding any man that perfectly bridles his tongue.
    And these are things that all of us posters have evidenced on on this debate forum, that we are not perfect in speech, nor understanding.
    So all are found to be lacking in faith and are evidently not in the Spirit at all times.
    As to them that say they are perfect at all moments, look how many scriptures they must philosophize about and give private interpretation concerning, so as to continue to claim what they claim of themselves?
    For where is the objectivity on these personal claims anyway?
    One:"s own testimony of one"s own self is worth what?

    Jesus said to deny your self, pick up your cross daily, and follow me.
    And some claim that command of Jesus doesn't apply to them?
    The just shall live by faith.
    But some argue that they had faith once upon a time and they don't need to walk by faith every day?
    Some men claim perfected faith? Yet where is the evidence of that?
    We are not to be wise in our own conceits.

    Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joman View Post
    You that believe we must walk in the Spirit do you also agree that walking in the Spirit is by faith?
    Which faith, Joman? And by that, I mean which definition? I know of five different definitions that are currently active among men.

    Quote Originally Posted by joman View Post
    Every time any of us, boasters included, fail to rightly read what God has said to us we prove ourse!ves to be among them of little faith.
    And yet you don't actually read what God actually has said to us, preferring a Bible from the Episcopal Church that's 400 years old. (Or has that changed?)

    Quote Originally Posted by joman View Post
    Didn"t Jesus reveal his dissappointment when the apostles failed to understand his parables and sayings.
    Why blame the student if the teacher fails?

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    Was God pleased when apostles returned to the laws of Moses and pretended that the gentile believers in Jesus were not worthy of fellowship? Even Paul failed when he returned to Jerusalem and planned on offering some sacrifices for the benefit of the Jews until being arrested by the enemies of the gospel prevented him. Surely you know how Peter vacilated in his faith.
    In this there is truth, and not many willing to see it. (What did you do with the old Joman?)

    Quote Originally Posted by joman View Post
    James expressed the rarity of finding any man that perfectly bridles his tongue.
    And yet wasn't this the very James that goaded Paul into his sacrificial oath to appease the believers zealous of the law?

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    So all are found to be lacking in faith and are evidently not in the Spirit at all times.
    Aye, therein lies the rub.

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    Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
    Your translation is missing a word, Joman. εκ to be exact. Means "out" and I don't see such there.

    Yehushuan

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    Peace!


    To tell lies about Jesus and God is a sin? To tell lies about the saints is a sin? The one who has got God's
    seed can not go on lying?

    John 12:44
    And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
    This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. (1 John 5:6)

    So God's seed can be in any man. Even in atheists. If God's spirit is the truth then there are many
    false teachers in the world and in the churches too. Because no-one teaches about the importance
    of the truth in knowing the God and his spirit but they teach their own teachings.


    Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.…
    This whole Millenium is going to be full of devil's works??? If someone says he is religious in any ways can he still
    be out of devil?

    I rather do not believe that God's spirit is the truth but that the truth is just a glory and light of God?
    But I can not be sure about that. If God's spirit is the truth then all religions and congregations are
    out of angels not out of God. Then the church too is just out of Christ and founded by him not by
    God.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    It is a shame you have decided to cast out such a large percentage of God's word from the bible.
    It must be disheartening to have the god you serve: one who cannot control what is published in His name.
    BTW, the catholic "church" is not of God.
    Dear p2,
    The Catholic church may be headed for a "fall" (Isaiah 22:25) & (Mt 7:27), but she was established as the "flock doomed for slaughter" in Zechariah 11:8, by the "LORD" (Zech 11:4). Or in the case of Hosea 3, the "adulteress" who was purchased for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, to "remain for many days" (Hosea 3:4), until "the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king" (Hosea 3:5). Her daughters are just like her. Like mother, like daughter.

    If you should peruse Mt 13, you will find out that the seed of the tare was planted in the same field as the good seed, and then given protection by Yeshua until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-29). We are now at the "end of the age", and the tares, nor the "enemy" have any more protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndpillar View Post
    Dear p2,
    The Catholic church may be headed for a "fall" (Isaiah 22:25) & (Mt 7:27), but she was established as the "flock doomed for slaughter" in Zechariah 11:8, by the "LORD" (Zech 11:4). Or in the case of Hosea 3, the "adulteress" who was purchased for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, to "remain for many days" (Hosea 3:4), until "the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king" (Hosea 3:5). Her daughters are just like her. Like mother, like daughter.

    If you should peruse Mt 13, you will find out that the seed of the tare was planted in the same field as the good seed, and then given protection by Yeshua until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-29). We are now at the "end of the age", and the tares, nor the "enemy" have any more protection.
    If you are so sure we are at the end of the age, you had better get right with God, before it is too late.
    "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by joman View Post
    You that believe we must walk in the Spirit do you also agree that walking in the Spirit is by faith?
    If so, then consider whether men need their faith to grow and be finished by Jesus.

    Unlike the claim that a man doesn't sin I present to you that any unbelief towards God displeases him.
    Doesn't God warn us to not shrink back?

    Every time any of us, boasters included, fail to rightly read what God has said to us we prove ourse!ves to be among them of little faith.
    Didn"t Jesus reveal his dissappointment when the apostles failed to understand his parables and sayings.
    Was God pleased when apostles returned to the laws of Moses and pretended that the gentile believerrs in Jesus were not worthy of fellowship?
    Even Paul failed when he returned to Jerusalem and planned on offering some sacrifices for the benefit of the Jews until being arrested by the enemies of the gospel prevented him. Surely you know how Peter vacilated in his faith.
    James expressed the rarity of finding any man that perfectly bridles his tongue.
    And these are things that all of us posters have evidenced on on this debate forum, that we are not perfect in speech, nor understanding.
    So all are found to be lacking in faith and are evidently not in the Spirit at all times.
    As to them that say they are perfect at all moments, look how many scriptures they must philosophize about and give private interpretation concerning, so as to continue to claim what they claim of themselves?
    For where is the objectivity on these personal claims anyway?
    One:"s own testimony of one"s own self is worth what?

    Jesus said to deny your self, pick up your cross daily, and follow me.
    And some claim that command of Jesus doesn't apply to them?
    The just shall live by faith.
    But some argue that they had faith once upon a time and they don't need to walk by faith every day?
    Some men claim perfected faith? Yet where is the evidence of that?
    We are not to be wise in our own conceits.

    Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
    Do you think that anybody does walk in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh"?
    Do you think it is possible to live without sinning?

    I'll wait for your response before adding more.
    "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." (Ja 5:20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip2 View Post
    The verse reads..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
    Those who insist it "means" continue to commit sin habitually, seem to be unaware of the verses' inclusion of the "seeds'" ramifications.
    They must think that oak trees won't "habitually" bear acorns. Once in awhile, but not frequently, it will bear onions or pears.

    What can Godly seed bear besides Godly fruit?
    I am asking this out of curiosity, "Why is it that many of the threads here are based on the difficult texts that have been hashed over for ever with no clear answer"?

    This could go several ways in the Greek.
    How far must someone fall before they hit their head? b

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnB View Post
    I am asking this out of curiosity, "Why is it that many of the threads here are based on the difficult texts that have been hashed over for ever with no clear answer"?

    This could go several ways in the Greek.
    So much for God not being the author of confusion.

    (And one could take that several ways as well.)
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