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    Default The Trump Ban on Foreign Aid for Organizations Which Offer Abortion Counseling

    A few days ago, President Trump signed an executive order prohibiting the granting of American foreign aid to health providers abroad who discuss abortion or offer abortion as a service.
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    President Trump reinstated a policy on Monday that originated in the Reagan era, prohibiting the granting of American foreign aid to health providers abroad who discuss abortion as a family-planning option.
    United States law already prohibits the use of American taxpayer dollars for abortion services anywhere, including in countries where the procedure is legal. But Mr. Trumpís order takes the prohibition further: It freezes funding to nongovernmental organizations in poor countries if they offer abortion counseling or if they advocate the right to seek abortion in their countries.
    The freeze applies even if the organizations use other sources of funding for these services.
    A few points:
    1.) The claim is commonly made by evangelicals and pro lifers that their tax money is paying for abortions. Rest easy, everyone. This claim is false. As stated above, US law already forbids this. Your tax money has never paid for anyone's abortion.
    2.) This order freezes funding for organizations which discuss abortion as an option. Many of these organizations also offer other health care services, contraceptives, and information about health and the use of contraception. All no longer funded.

    Also from the article:
    Health experts say the policy has not led to a decline in abortions in the affected countries. Some research suggests that it has had the opposite effect: increasing abortion rates by forcing health clinics to close or to restrict contraceptive supplies because of lack of funding. Others say the restriction only heightens the risk of illegal and often unsafe abortions.
    The impact of Mr. Trumpís order is likely to be felt beyond abortion services, which cannot be carried out with federal funding under a 1973 law known as the Helms Amendment, after former Senator Jesse Helms.
    Critics said the order would hinder the ability of women in poor countries to obtain reproductive health services, including family planning, by severing American funding to health clinics that offer a variety of services, including abortion counseling.
    The above is common sense. With less access to contraception, health care, and education about reproduction and contraception, more women will choose abortions. I think it is tragic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathrus View Post
    A few days ago, President Trump signed an executive order prohibiting the granting of American foreign aid to health providers abroad who discuss abortion or offer abortion as a service.
    From the article:

    A few points:
    1.) The claim is commonly made by evangelicals and pro lifers that their tax money is paying for abortions. Rest easy, everyone. This claim is false. As stated above, US law already forbids this. Your tax money has never paid for anyone's abortion.
    2.) This order freezes funding for organizations which discuss abortion as an option. Many of these organizations also offer other health care services, contraceptives, and information about health and the use of contraception. All no longer funded.

    Also from the article:

    The above is common sense. With less access to contraception, health care, and education about reproduction and contraception, more women will choose abortions. I think it is tragic.
    Is that all the news you have to report this morning ? Because I am getting a different line of news from Wall Street. Like the DJIA hit a record 20,000 points .First time in the history of Wall Street that that figure was reached. Humm,,wonder if Mr.Trump had any thing to do with that ?...............m
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewDuvall View Post
    Is that all the news you have to report this morning ? Because I am getting a different line of news from Wall Street. Like the DJIA hit a record 20,000 points .First time in the history of Wall Street that that figure was reached. Humm,,wonder if Mr.Trump had any thing to do with that ?...............m
    To give him credit for the DJIA reaching 20,000 just three days into his presidency is pushing it, but I commend him for not having screwed the economy up yet. I hope that his presidency continues the economic recovery we are now enjoying, and I will give him credit for it where it is due.

    But... we are talking about this abortion executive order in this thread. Why don't you start a separate thread about the great news on Wall St?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathrus View Post

    The above is common sense. With less access to contraception, health care, and education about reproduction and contraception, more women will choose abortions. I think it is tragic.
    That's a myth instigated by abortion providers. It's not true. Never has been.

    That is untrue. It has long been known to be untrue. The wire hanger is indeed a powerful symbol — the symbol of a lie engineered with malice aforethought. We have as a source no less an organization than the butchers’ union itself, Planned Parenthood, whose medical director, Dr. Mary Steichen Calderone, very helpfully compiled a report on deaths from illegal abortions in the pre-Roe era and found very few of them. Her report, “Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem,” published in the American Journal of Public Health in 1960, is interesting if grisly reading. In it we learn that in the pre-Roe era, the incidence of maternal deaths resulting from abortion was quite low, nothing like the tens of thousands of deaths in the wire-hanger mythology. “Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure,” Dr. Calderone writes. “This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions done by physicians.” And by Dr. Calderone’s estimate, “90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; and many of them are in good standing in their communities. They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is.” Bear in mind that this comes from an advocate of legal abortion at a time when abortion was broadly illegal.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-d-williamson


    What is not a myth and has been proven, are the unsanitary and dangerous conditions in existing abortion clinics.

    Abortion Industry Negligence Nationwide:Highlighting the Most ...
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    They also discovered unsanitary implements, including unused syringes and needles ... [9]; Nova Women's Health Center, the busiest abortion clinic in Virginia, ...

    Report: Abortion Clinics Offer Women Grisly, Unsanitary Facilities
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    Dec 13, 2016 - 'Unsafe' features a detailed analysis of hundreds of reports from state health inspectors, showing that abortion clinics have been routinely cited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathrus View Post
    A few days ago, President Trump signed an executive order prohibiting the granting of American foreign aid to health providers abroad who discuss abortion or offer abortion as a service.
    From the article:

    A few points:
    1.) The claim is commonly made by evangelicals and pro lifers that their tax money is paying for abortions. Rest easy, everyone. This claim is false. As stated above, US law already forbids this. Your tax money has never paid for anyone's abortion.
    2.) This order freezes funding for organizations which discuss abortion as an option. Many of these organizations also offer other health care services, contraceptives, and information about health and the use of contraception. All no longer funded.

    Also from the article:

    The above is common sense. With less access to contraception, health care, and education about reproduction and contraception, more women will choose abortions. I think it is tragic.

    Yes, present law already forbids it. But the U.S. federal government, under Obama, gave TAXPAYER MONEY to "planned parenthood," to keep the lights on, and that same named organization was caught SELLING BABY PARTS! So, no they DON'T deserve any money, nor any CAPITALIZATION of their name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by solver View Post
    Yes, present law already forbids it. But the U.S. federal government, under Obama, gave TAXPAYER MONEY to "planned parenthood," to keep the lights on,...
    So you admit that all the claims made by the pro-life movement, and by people who post here, that tax money is used to pay for abortions are false. I commend you for doing so. Though the fact that the pro life movement is lying is not a secret to many of us.
    And you're revealing that the real issue you have is that Planned Parenthood exists at all, and that any kind of reproductive health information, testing, and other needed health services (not including abortions) are offered to poor women using taxpayer funding. Thanks again for being honest that your issue is really about your tax money going to provide any kind of help for fellow Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by solver View Post
    ...and that same named organization was caught SELLING BABY PARTS! So, no they DON'T deserve any money, nor any CAPITALIZATION of their name!
    Was caught?? Evidently you missed the part where it's legal for them to do that. You may disagree with that, and I find it repugnant too, but they weren't "caught" doing it. They have a legal permission to do that. You don't even remember what the real issue was about those doctored and misleading videos, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by solver View Post
    But the U.S. federal government, under Obama, gave TAXPAYER MONEY to "planned parenthood," to keep the lights on...
    Furthermore, this has nothing to do with Obama. The US gov't has been giving taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood to "keep their lights on" during every presidential administration for a long time. And advocates of gov't funding of Planned Parenthood included Republican presidents and members of Congress.
    Once contraception was legalized, attention turned to getting federal funding to provide it to low-income women. Democrats like President Lyndon B. Johnson backed a federal birth control program, but were afraid of running afoul of the Catholic Church and alienating the party’s Catholic base. So the task fell to congressional Republicans under the leadership of Congressman George H.W. Bush, whose father Senator Prescott Bush had been a leading fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. Bush was an ardent supporter of federal family planning funding; his enthusiasm for the cause earned him the nickname “Rubbers.”

    It was future GOP President “Rubbers” Bush who in 1967 secured the first federal funding for birth control, and by extension Planned Parenthood, as the decision was made to provide grants to existing providers rather than create a public network of birth control clinics.
    Republican President Richard Nixon was another major backer of federally funded family planning. He called for a national family planning program shortly after he took office in 1969 and worked with Bush, who headed the Republican Research Committee Task Force on Earth Resources and Population, to secure passage of the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act. This created the Title X Family Planning Program to provide sexual and reproductive health services to low-income individuals and is still a major source of funding for Planned Parenthood.


    Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, support for Planned Parenthood funding was bipartisan, even as the issue of abortion became increasingly polarized. But that began to change with the “Republican Revolution” of 1994. Once the Republicans took control of Congress, the Christian Coalition, the U.S. Catholic Conference and the National Right to Life Committee began strategizing about how to limit access to abortion. One of their tactics was to assert that funding for domestic and international family planning providers facilitated abortion by “freeing up” money to support abortion services. By some bizarre twist of GOP logic, family planning now contributed to abortion rather than preventing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathrus View Post
    A few days ago, President Trump signed an executive order prohibiting the granting of American foreign aid to health providers abroad who discuss abortion or offer abortion as a service.

    2.) This order freezes funding for organizations which discuss abortion as an option. Many of these organizations also offer other health care services, contraceptives, and information about health and the use of contraception. All no longer funded.
    No funding for abortions, period!
    No funding for abortion as an option, period!
    Get it?

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