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    The 'Holy' Trinity, the Triune 'Godhead', God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the- Holy Ghost, the Niceaen Creed, Church Fathers, Arian, etc!
    For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the controversy over who Christ is or was has raged among thousands of groups all claiming their differing views to be based on the Bible!

    Is that TRUE?
    No. Most is based on CHURCH DOGMA, which distorts their view of the Bible.

    The matter really CAN be easily cleared up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a closer look at the Bible, while setting Church Dogma aside!
    You have to WANT truth, and pray for Understanding as you read these inspired words of our maker!
    All scriptures giving insight as to who God and Christ are, and what the holy spirit is- from the very START of
    the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the very END of it (Revelation).

    We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:

    Gen 1:2-And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God
    moved upon the face of the waters.

    Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God..."spirit' is the translation of the Hebrew word for "breath, wind"- an unseen force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    The 'Holy' Trinity, the Triune 'Godhead', God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the- Holy Ghost, the Niceaen Creed, Church Fathers, Arian, etc!
    For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the controversy over who Christ is or was has raged among thousands of groups all claiming their differing views to be based on the Bible!

    Is that TRUE?
    No. Most is based on CHURCH DOGMA, which distorts their view of the Bible.

    The matter really CAN be easily cleared up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a closer look at the Bible, while setting Church Dogma aside!
    You have to WANT truth, and pray for Understanding as you read these inspired words of our maker!
    All scriptures giving insight as to who God and Christ are, and what the holy spirit is- from the very START of
    the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the very END of it (Revelation).

    We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:

    Gen 1:2-And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God
    moved upon the face of the waters.

    Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God..."spirit' is the translation of the Hebrew word for "breath, wind"- an unseen force.
    all you can say against the trinity is good for i am against it as well
    Of course this is my GOD given view and understanding from the scriptures

    my name is Pierre

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    Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

    CHURCHianity has Three God-Beings/Persons/Natures/Essences/Whatever talking among Themselves, but His son was there.
    Also, so too, were the angels- who likely helped and assisted. Since he made men in His image, he did also his messengers (angels)~

    Job 38:4-Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
    5-Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
    6- On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—
    7- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

    He Himself later tells us that it was His SON whom He made all things through.
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    In post #1, you appear to be a Jehovah's Witness.
    In post #3, you appear to be a Modalist.
    In general you are anti-institution, anti-church and you may have authority issues.

    Define CHURCH DOGMA that you rail against, because I don't think you know what it means.

    Do you have ANYTHING in common with the Church of the first 3 centuries? If you do, can you prove it? Provide names of any early Christian from this time period you agree with. I don't think you can.

    The Divinity or Godhood of Christ was only finalized in 325 at the Council of Nicaea, that you reject.
    The full doctrine of the Trinity in 381 at the Council of Constantinople, that you reject.
    The dogma of the Two Natures of Christ (God and Man) was proclaimed in 451 at the Council of Chalcedon,where DOGMA is a dirty word to you.. These decisions of General Councils of the Church were in response to challenging heresies. If you deny the Two Natures of Christ, guess what that makes you.

    Same 'ol, same 'ol. Your contentions were debated and resolved by learned and holy men 1700 years ago, whom you despise out of blind prejudice.

    Angels are not made in God's image because they cannot procreate. Whatever you get your information on the Trinity from you should throw it out. You are not even close. Churchianity?? You are shaking your fists at a straw man fallacy.





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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestion View Post
    Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

    CHURCHianity has Three God-Beings/Persons/Natures/Essences/Whatever talking among Themselves, but His son was there.
    Also, so too, were the angels- who likely helped and assisted. He Himself later tells us that it was His SON whom He made all things through.
    Hello the Question.

    Firstly, where in any Bible does it say that angels assisted in creation?

    Here is what your New World Translation says: [brackets mine]


    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [God created everything]

    Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, [two entities involved in Gods image which you accept as Father and Word]

    And God went on to create the man in his image [ God= The Father and the word]

    And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person [ man was made by Father and Word, both God. both YHWH.

    Any other translation of Gen 1:2

    "and the spirit of God was moving back and forth over the waters" [ the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit was also involved in creation)]


    John 1:1 [ a direct reference to Gen 1:1]

    In the beginning was The Word
    And The Word was with God
    And the Word was God

    Whether one believes in the trinity or not; for the Watchtower to claim that it has no basis whatsoever in scripture is a dishonest representation of the Bible.

    And as has been shown on recent threads, they have had to change the wording of their own Bible to hide this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
    Hello the Question.

    Firstly, where in any Bible does it say that angels assisted in creation?

    Here is what your New World Translation says: [brackets mine]


    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [God created everything]

    Then God said: ôLet us make man in our image, [two entities involved in Gods image which you accept as Father and Word]

    And God went on to create the man in his image [ God= The Father and the word]

    And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person [ man was made by Father and Word, both God. both YHWH.

    Any other translation of Gen 1:2

    "and the spirit of God was moving back and forth over the waters" [ the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit was also involved in creation)]


    John 1:1 [ a direct reference to Gen 1:1]

    In the beginning was The Word
    And The Word was with God
    And the Word was God

    Whether one believes in the trinity or not; for the Watchtower to claim that it has no basis whatsoever in scripture is a dishonest representation of the Bible.

    And as has been shown on recent threads, they have had to change the wording of their own Bible to hide this.
    Gen 1;27 So God created mankind/man in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

    Col;1;15
    who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
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    for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

    John1;3
    Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

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    He(Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.


    Adam was created in the IMAGE OF GOD only Jesus is mention to be that IMAGE no one else

    and we know that Adam was not God's first creation ,
    Of course this is my GOD given view and understanding from the scriptures

    my name is Pierre

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    Quote Originally Posted by terraricca View Post
    Gen 1;27 So God created mankind/man in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

    Col;1;15
    who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
    16
    for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

    John1;3
    Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

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    He(Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.


    Adam was created in the IMAGE OF GOD only Jesus is mention to be that IMAGE no one else

    and we know that Adam was not God's first creation ,
    If you don't mind, I have already discussed this with you elsewhere and you refused to continue the discussion. So please allow me to speak with someone else. Perhaps for once you could just read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epostle View Post
    In post #1, you appear to be a Jehovah's Witness.
    In post #3, you appear to be a Modalist.
    In general you are anti-institution, anti-church and you may have authority issues.

    Define CHURCH DOGMA that you rail against, because I don't think you know what it means.

    Do you have ANYTHING in common with the Church of the first 3 centuries? If you do, can you prove it? Provide names of any early Christian from this time period you agree with. I don't think you can.

    The Divinity or Godhood of Christ was only finalized in 325 at the Council of Nicaea, that you reject.
    The full doctrine of the Trinity in 381 at the Council of Constantinople, that you reject.
    The dogma of the Two Natures of Christ (God and Man) was proclaimed in 451 at the Council of Chalcedon,where DOGMA is a dirty word to you.. These decisions of General Councils of the Church were in response to challenging heresies. If you deny the Two Natures of Christ, guess what that makes you.

    Same 'ol, same 'ol. Your contentions were debated and resolved by learned and holy men 1700 years ago, whom you despise out of blind prejudice.

    Angels are not made in God's image because they cannot procreate. Whatever you get your information on the Trinity from you should throw it out. You are not even close. Churchianity?? You are shaking your fists at a straw man fallacy.




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    Epostle, until you shift your focus from church (men) to Bible (God) you cannot understand, but will remain... a Tinman.
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    Now Gen 18 and 19, where three “men” appeared to Abraham and Lot.
    Clergy say it was the Trinity (Father, Son and Ghost]... Let’s see what the ACCOUNT says-

    Gen 18:1-And Jehovah appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre. And he sat at the tent-door in the heat of the day.
    2-And he lifted up his eyes and saw, and behold, three
    >>> men <<< standing near him. And when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent-door, and
    bowed himself to the earth,
    3-and said, Lord, if now I have found favor in thine eyes, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.
    4-Let now a little water be fetched, that ye may wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
    8-And he took thick and sweet milk, and the calf that he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood before
    them under the tree,and
    >>> they ate. <<<

    [ Did God/the Gods eat food, becoming Three MEN?]
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