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    the trinity father spirit son is debated often. Ppl say jesus is not god only the father is but if that is true then i have a question. Do recal how Jesus forgave sins? how he said plainly your sins are forgiven? I thought only God could forgive sins. So if Jesus is not god not only did he blasphemy but he then sinned and so was not fit to die on the cross for us.

    So... anyone?

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    “Only God can forgive sins,” say trinitarians, “and Jesus forgave sin, Mark 2:7. Therefore, Jesus must be God!”

    So, John 20:21-23 “proves” that the disciples also must be God, right?

    We realize that the Father alone, Jehovah, as the only Almighty and Most High God, is the ultimate forgiver of sins and the only origin of salvation, and, in that sense, and by comparison, there are no others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger 2 View Post
    We realize that the Father alone, Jehovah, as the only Almighty and Most High God, is the ultimate forgiver of sins and the only origin of salvation, and, in that sense, and by comparison, there are no others.
    All sins committed even against others are against God. Thus He ALONE can forgive sins committed against others (Psalm 51:4).

    That all sins committed even against others are committed against Christ proves that He is God (1 Corinthians 8:12) for He too can forgive sins even committed against others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    the trinity father spirit son is debated often. Ppl say jesus is not god only the father is but if that is true then i have a question. Do recal how Jesus forgave sins? how he said plainly your sins are forgiven? I thought only God could forgive sins.
    That's what the scribes and the Pharisee's thought.

    Luke 5:20-26 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
    21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
    22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
    23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
    24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
    25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
    26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    So if Jesus is not god not only did he blasphemy but he then sinned and so was not fit to die on the cross for us.
    What an utterly foolish thing to say!

    Jesus clearly explains how this works!! We need to listen to him..... rather than our own "reasoning"!!

    ...that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins

    John 5:19-22
    Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
    20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
    21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
    22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

    "One" in John 17:20-22 is "hen", that the believer is hen/one EVEN AS Jesus and his God are hen/one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    the trinity father spirit son is debated often. Ppl say jesus is not god only the father is but if that is true then i have a question. Do recal how Jesus forgave sins? how he said plainly your sins are forgiven? I thought only God could forgive sins. So if Jesus is not god not only did he blasphemy but he then sinned and so was not fit to die on the cross for us.

    So... anyone?
    In order for Jesus to be god, there would have to be more than one god.

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    and we know Jesus to be a servant of God. God is not a servant

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    Hello Blain. Welcome to the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blain View Post
    ... Ppl say jesus is not god only the father is...
    Among them, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah.

    ...but if that is true...
    If it is true then shouldn't Jesus' disciples believe as Jesus himself believes?

    Do recal how Jesus forgave sins? how he said plainly your sins are forgiven?
    Yes.

    I thought only God could forgive sins.
    Do you think it is possible or impossible for God to confer that ability to someone who isn't God?

    So if Jesus is not god...
    Jesus is occasionally referred to as elohim/theos in scripture; he himself, however, has a God.

    ...not only did he blasphemy but he then sinned and so was not fit to die on the cross for us.
    The testimony of scripture is that Jesus did not blaspheme, did not sin, and was fit to die on the cross for us.

    Who do you think Jesus' God is, Blain?
    The hound of Jewish monotheism.

    "For us there is one God. He is the Father." (I Corinthians 8:6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    All sins committed even against others are against God. Thus He ALONE can forgive sins committed against others (Psalm 51:4).

    That all sins committed even against others are committed against Christ proves that He is God (1 Corinthians 8:12) for He too can forgive sins even committed against others.

    In Acts 7:60 Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus not to hold this sin "against" his murderers. Interestingly, Psalm 51:4 teaches that sin is ultimately committed "against" God alone.
    http://forum.bible-discussion.com/sh...d-Jesus-is-God
    Last edited by rhino; 02-23-2015 at 07:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino View Post
    In Acts 7:60 Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus not to hold this sin "against" his murderers. Interestingly, Psalm 51:4 teaches that sin is ultimately committed "against" God alone.
    http://forum.bible-discussion.com/sh...d-Jesus-is-God
    Acts 7:55-60 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
    56 and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.
    57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed upon him with one accord;
    58 and they cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
    59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon (him), and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
    60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

    Stephen talked to both.
    "One" in John 17:20-22 is "hen", that the believer is hen/one EVEN AS Jesus and his God are hen/one.

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    Blain, I believe in one God who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God in 3 persons, blessed Trinity. God Almighty creator of Heaven and Earth.
    "The mind is like a parachute; it functions only when it is open." Coe

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