2,000 Errors with the KJV? Unlikely, but I am willing to check it out

[03cobra]

joman writes:

You may be even now slowly succumbing to a persecution complex.

Nah, I just think Christians should be honest in their speech and writings.

If a person will make false statements about other believers, he will also likely use other misstatements to spread his fantasies.

You need to get right with the Lord.

Looking at the scriptures honestly is not a sin, joman.
And not adopting your KJV fantasies is not a sin.
And not adopting man-made teachings of inerrancy, teachings never mentioned in scripture, is not a sin.
But your concern is noted, if misguided and inappropriate.

[BenDabid]

Yes. My understanding is that, all through Matthew beginning with the beatitudes as especially compared to the whole sermon on the mount, Jesus forces the masses and their leaders to either trust God for salvation or fulfill all the law of Moses. Jesus uses the leaders in Matthew 23:3 to prove the absurdity of trying to fulfill the whole of the law of Moses. Just like in the sermon on the mount where Jesus said bluntly...Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus' gospel of the kingdom of heaven excludes fulfilling the law of Moses to gain entrance.
Jesus' other point is that there is and was nothing wrong with the law of Moses but, rather, there is something dreadfully wrong with man. And, especially something wrong with them that refuse to accept that the law of Moses condemns all men from the former high priests of Levi's tribe to John the Baptist.
So, after intense contrasts being made the obvious conclusion of Jesus' gospel message was that men must all be saved by faith in Jesus according to the grace of God.

funny, I remember the scribes and Pharisees transgressing Torah with the traditions of the elders, not even keeping with the Law of Moshe. And they tell others to keep these traditions of the elders. The KJV of Matthew 23:3 does not make sense. but then neither does the greek manuscripts from which the KJV was translated, or the aramaic manuscripts from which the greek were translated. Only in a few remaining hebrew manuscripts have what would be translated as, "All therefore whatsoever he bid you observe, observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." the he being Moshe and not those that sit in his seat telling people to do things contrary to the Law.

[bibleman7]

funny, I remember the scribes and Pharisees transgressing Torah with the traditions of the elders, not even keeping with the Law of Moshe. And they tell others to keep these traditions of the elders. The KJV of Matthew 23:3 does not make sense. but then neither does the greek manuscripts from which the KJV was translated, or the aramaic manuscripts from which the greek were translated. Only in a few remaining hebrew manuscripts have what would be translated as, "All therefore whatsoever he bid you observe, observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." the he being Moshe and not those that sit in his seat telling people to do things contrary to the Law.

How is it that the Hebrew can correct the English and the Greek here? Is a translation (a few unnamed Hebrew manuscripts) over both the language of this generation AND the language of the originals?

The contrast in the passage is laid out just fine in the English. You have Christ switching references first to Moses then to the Pharisees. This is not necessary nor does it flow smoothly. It is not impossible due to these reasons, just unnecesary.

You are wise to heed that the traditions set up by the elders of Israel were contrary to the word of God. But for the most part it wasn't the pharisee's traditions that Christ attacked. It was their heart because they said the right things but did the wrong things.
Matthew 23:23-28 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

Sure Christ got on them for putting their tradition over the law. But he also got on them for keeping the law in action but not in spirit. Both are in the context so it unnecessary to resort to a few Hebrew texts in order to change this verse. Either way you have a correct statement (from what I can tell which I may be wrong). Therefore it should be left with the text that God has honored for the past four hundred years. "If it's not broke, don't fix it."

You should also remember that Christ said that in the Millennium a person would have to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. In that passage Christ admitted that the Pharisees had great righteousness. I mean they did fast twice a week, many of them. That's more in a week than most Christians do in a lifetime. The problem was not so much their righteousness, but their pride and envy.