Why Abortion is Immoral

[helpthepaw]

Oh sorry I forgot

"Honor thy father and thy mother"

oookaaaayyy...... lol ....... go on........

12*“Honor your father and your mother in order that your days may prove long upon the ground that Jehovah your God is giving you.

[FFT]

True, once you move past the first clause it doesn't make much sense.

[helpthepaw]

I thought you were going to go with Numbers 5 because it talks about giving the woman something bitter to drink.

[SpaceMarine]

You need to read your history. If for Americans, human right are inherent rights, how come slavery was so accepted for decades, if not a century. The answer is black people were considered non-human or sub-human.....same as a fetus.

And Guess what? They were/are wrong.

And if you leave God out of the equation, you will never arrive at universal human value....never. Without an infinite reference point, there is no universal. There is only personal opinion about which no one person has more weight than the next. So if a person decides the unborn is not a person, that is as valid as the person who says it is a human. Same with other groups of people.....very dangerous. Today it is the unborn...tomorrow it is the terminally ill ...or the elderly.

You are right in that without God, there is no universal human value. But that doesn't make for a universal case. Plenty of people thumb their noses at God, and plenty of people will fight for a separation of God and state, and so His opinion isn't going to carry much weight. You have to convince everyone that God's opinion on human value should be the standard, and then you have to convince everyone that God believes every human including all the unborn is the same as themselves. Good luck with that.


For Americans, the basis of our rights is inherent rights. IF we can deny humans a right to life, then our own right to life is deniable. We base many of our rights on that government is there to protect them, not grant them. Plenty of Supreme Court rulings have noted that the basic human rights are individuals possessions, and that the government is there to protect them. So for Americans, the path we need to travel to outlaw abortion is getting back to the notion that we are all CREATED Equal, not born, and that human rights, such as life and liberty are inherent, that they are not granted to people, but individual possessions. That women do not have a right to just take away life without good cause. That nobody has ever had the right to just kill because another human is unwanted. That is how we will outlaw abortion.

[justmeagain]

I will weigh in on this one briefly.

The whole idea of abortion is despicable to me. I mean, what if Jesus had been aborted. If children are the gift of God as Psalms tells us (of course to godly parents who did not toy with sex for fun and have an unwanted pregnancy) then who are we to interfere with that?

Yet my heart pains to think about the child born to those who have gone the path of Cain, and whose child will be born with little chance and only to much emotional and perhaps physical agony.

Christians are told to: 1 Timothy 2:2 "For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty."

And as Paul said, 1 Corinthians 5:12a "For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? ..." 1 Corinthians 5:13a "But them that are without God judgeth. ..."

It is my opinion that we are to focus upon encouraging our fellow Christians to resist the trends of the world. But we do not seek to try to change the world. Not only is changing the world an impossible job, but to focus on trying to do so robs of us the valuable time we need to focus on keeping ourselves and our spiritual brothers stable in this unstable world.

I hate abortion. I loathe it. But God is the one who judges the world and will judge it. As for me I say as Paul, 1 Corinthians 5:12a "For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? ..."

I believe we are responsible to speak our peace and let them know that God says they are doing wrong, this in accord with Ezekiel 3:17, but there it ends, for our own benefit.

2 Timothy 2:4 "No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."

[P1234567890]

Yep. Sorry 'bout that.

I've got a Biblical argument in favor of abortion, if you'd like. Perhaps it's even unique, I haven't seen it before.

It's clear that the Bible doesn't condemn abortion. Just read it! Abortions were commonplace during Jesus' time, and yet the Bible never once states that they shouldn't be performed. It goes into all sorts of minutia about the evils of eating shrimp, but never contains anything along the lines of, "it is a sin for a woman to ingest silphium", let alone that abortions shouldn't be performed.

If Jesus thought that abortions were wrong, then he would have at least have put as much effort into warning against them as the Bible does when it talks about what should and shouldn't be eaten and when.

Not to mention the fact that God is supposed to be omniscient... That means that when the Bible was written around 3500 B.C., God new that there would be a huge debate going on thousands of years in the future about abortion, and he would have given us some clarity and inspired the Bible's authors to throw in a verse or two about the subject.

The fact that he didn't and that Jesus is entirely mute on the subject should give all Christian pro-lifers some serious pause. The silence of the Bible on this topic is pretty deafening, and I don't know why this argument isn't seen more often.

[P1234567890]

No takers?

[SpaceMarine]

Is an argument from silence valid? Just because it doesn't specify abortion is wrong, doesn't mean its right. The Bible is (specifically) silent on cloning, stem cell research, genetic manipulation, evolution, dinosaurs, etc etc. Just because the Bible doesn't mention something in particular doesn't mean its for or against it.

95% of abortion in America is a result of an unwanted child. Do you really think God condones the killing of His "gifts" because we don't want to be burdened with taking care of them? Is that what God wants?

As far as omniscience goes, just because God might be able to know what is coming, doesn't necessitate God having to address it. What is written can infer righteous actions in many situations that are not specifically detailed.

I have never been one to argue against abortion using the Bible. But I do think there is reason to believe that God would not want His 'gifts" being slaughtered by the millions because we are so busy in our lives we don't want them. And we can infer God's opinion about the unborn and the intrinsic value of human life through other verses, even if they do not address abortion specifically.

[P1234567890]

You don't think it's the *tiniest* bit strange that the Bible goes on for pages when it's talking about shellfish and all sorts of guidelines and restrictions on what to eat, where to eat it, and when, but on the purportedly major topic of abortion, it's completely silent?!?

[SpaceMarine]

I noticed you didn't answer my questions.

Is an argument from silence valid?

Do you really think God condones the killing of His "gifts" because we don't want to be burdened with taking care of them? Is that what God wants?

And no, I don't think its 'strange' or of any significance that the Bible is directly silent on abortion.